Song and dance over 'ageist' Virgin
To my knowledge there were no parties to celebrate the demise of Ansett.
There was some relief that the future for Virgin looked more secure though - but that is not the same as being pleased that Ansett went arse up.
The people in Virgin are exactly the same as the people in Ansett - people. They are different to the corporate entity that was/is each company and they are (mostly) loyal to the organisation that puts the money into their account each pay.
There are many ex Ansett people in Virgin now and they seem to be happy.
There was some relief that the future for Virgin looked more secure though - but that is not the same as being pleased that Ansett went arse up.
The people in Virgin are exactly the same as the people in Ansett - people. They are different to the corporate entity that was/is each company and they are (mostly) loyal to the organisation that puts the money into their account each pay.
There are many ex Ansett people in Virgin now and they seem to be happy.
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I am one of those 8 ex AN hosties you are all talking about. Fact: we did reject an out of court settlement. Fact: we did do the song and dance (reported in one newspaper that we refused) Fact: At the time of lodgement DJ DID NOT HAVE ONE FA over the age of 42 (stats as furnished by DJ themselves) Fact: If DJ will make a public apology we do not want any payment Fact:We received no payment from A Current Affair Fact: I am flying with another airline full time.
I think that some of you are missing the point. This is Australia and we have anti-discrimination laws to prevent this sort of thing. As said earlier in this forum, one day these 20+ year olds will be 40. Do they honestly believe that will no longer be capable of doing their jobs because they have character lines?
I think that some of you are missing the point. This is Australia and we have anti-discrimination laws to prevent this sort of thing. As said earlier in this forum, one day these 20+ year olds will be 40. Do they honestly believe that will no longer be capable of doing their jobs because they have character lines?
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Anflygirl
Just had a look at a previous post of yours and am trying to
figure out why you would have applied to DJ in the first place.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=111572
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Sorry, but I just cant resist this one!!! Having been a very regular DJ flyer for the last 4 months (which I can assure you is only for financial reasons) I have a plethora of stories. Like a few others in this thread I am soooo sick of the same jokes. If I hear one more about Brisvegas and its two high rises and 1 street light I shall scream. Do they need to be reminded that it was only because of "Brisvegas" and the subsidies the Qld govt paid them that they are in business today.
Last Sundays flight took the cake though. On our 1hr 50min flight the Cabin Manager cared so much about our inflight health that she had her crew line up in their demonstration positions and do in flight aerobics!!! Yes everyone, she actually got onto the PA and told the passengers to do "butt clenches" just as her crew were doing. Naturally I screeched with laughter thinking this was one of their inflight "jokes", but alas it wasnt. Needless to say I was mortified and if it had been humanly possible I would have removed myself from the aircraft. I too was subjected to a crew members birthday as we were all asked to sing Brandon "Happy birthday". I am sure I dont need to point out that Brandon did not receive birthday wishes from me.
I have plenty more stories but shall save them for another time. I must admit though, every time I fly with DJ I come away with another truly hilarious story that I share with as many people as possible. Keep up the good work Virgin Blue!!
Just had a look at a previous post of yours and am trying to
figure out why you would have applied to DJ in the first place.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=111572
Anflygirl wrote:
Sorry, but I just cant resist this one!!! Having been a very regular DJ flyer for the last 4 months (which I can assure you is only for financial reasons) I have a plethora of stories. Like a few others in this thread I am soooo sick of the same jokes. If I hear one more about Brisvegas and its two high rises and 1 street light I shall scream. Do they need to be reminded that it was only because of "Brisvegas" and the subsidies the Qld govt paid them that they are in business today.
Last Sundays flight took the cake though. On our 1hr 50min flight the Cabin Manager cared so much about our inflight health that she had her crew line up in their demonstration positions and do in flight aerobics!!! Yes everyone, she actually got onto the PA and told the passengers to do "butt clenches" just as her crew were doing. Naturally I screeched with laughter thinking this was one of their inflight "jokes", but alas it wasnt. Needless to say I was mortified and if it had been humanly possible I would have removed myself from the aircraft. I too was subjected to a crew members birthday as we were all asked to sing Brandon "Happy birthday". I am sure I dont need to point out that Brandon did not receive birthday wishes from me.
I have plenty more stories but shall save them for another time. I must admit though, every time I fly with DJ I come away with another truly hilarious story that I share with as many people as possible. Keep up the good work Virgin Blue!!
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Well, there you all have it. Right from the horses mouth. Go DJ, you should work directly for Mark Latham coming out with that crap. Politics and semantics.
Did it occur to you that maybe Anflygirl might have wanted to improve the level of professionalism amongst the VB cabin crew? Before you tell me that they already are, don't bother. There are enough tales of woe with these fools to suggest otherwise.
Fact is, VB have broken our country's anti discrimination laws. Whether those laws are right or wrong, which seems to be much of the argument here, is irrelevant. They are our laws, and VB have broken them. Hope they do get a punitive penalty, because they deserve it.
Don't listen to these clowns, Anflygirl. Stick to your guns and make 'em pay.
Did it occur to you that maybe Anflygirl might have wanted to improve the level of professionalism amongst the VB cabin crew? Before you tell me that they already are, don't bother. There are enough tales of woe with these fools to suggest otherwise.
Fact is, VB have broken our country's anti discrimination laws. Whether those laws are right or wrong, which seems to be much of the argument here, is irrelevant. They are our laws, and VB have broken them. Hope they do get a punitive penalty, because they deserve it.
Don't listen to these clowns, Anflygirl. Stick to your guns and make 'em pay.
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In reference to go_dj, if you knew the facts you would realise that our case was filed over 2 years ago. My humorous accounts of subsequent flights happened will after the filing date. As I said in my previous posting I flew with them purely for financial reasons and as was pointed out to you, that is an incredible long shot and has absolutely no bearing on what is being said in this thread. I still stand by the fact that that particular flight was a joke.
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So YOU are judge and jury in this case, SH - you could have saved the F/A's association and VB significant court costs with your obviously superior legal knowledge 
Now SIT and STAY!
I believe the point that go_dj is trying to make, is that Anyflygirl showed quite anti-Virgin Blue sentiments, when she made that PUBLIC post on 16th December 2003, and also indicated that SHE would find it extremely difficult - if not IMPOSSIBLE - to carry out what was required of her, should she have been selected as an F/A with VB......"Needless to say I was mortified and if it had been humanly possible I would have removed myself from the aircraft."
A public apology for WHAT?
According to VB, you weren't selected because of YOUR performance - and whom would you expect to make any apology?? ALL of the people involved in the selection process?
Because Australia has anti-discrimination laws that doesn't mean they HAVE to take the oldies who apply - it simply means that at selection time, all applications have to be assessed without undue emphasis on age.
And for the record, a couple of years ago, my son applied for a position in the Q'ld police force - after having gone through days of various tests he was told that he should apply at a future date, after he had "more experience in life".
Maybe you ladies have TOO MUCH "experience in (another) life" in the selection committee's opinion!
Fact is, VB have broken our country's anti discrimination laws.
Now SIT and STAY!
I believe the point that go_dj is trying to make, is that Anyflygirl showed quite anti-Virgin Blue sentiments, when she made that PUBLIC post on 16th December 2003, and also indicated that SHE would find it extremely difficult - if not IMPOSSIBLE - to carry out what was required of her, should she have been selected as an F/A with VB......"Needless to say I was mortified and if it had been humanly possible I would have removed myself from the aircraft."
If DJ will make a public apology we do not want any payment
According to VB, you weren't selected because of YOUR performance - and whom would you expect to make any apology?? ALL of the people involved in the selection process?
Because Australia has anti-discrimination laws that doesn't mean they HAVE to take the oldies who apply - it simply means that at selection time, all applications have to be assessed without undue emphasis on age.
And for the record, a couple of years ago, my son applied for a position in the Q'ld police force - after having gone through days of various tests he was told that he should apply at a future date, after he had "more experience in life".
Maybe you ladies have TOO MUCH "experience in (another) life" in the selection committee's opinion!
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Good point Kaptin M. Maybe we do have too much experience for DJ but the other airlines in this country dont appear to think so. The fact of the matter is that DJ did not a single flight attendant over the age of 42 the day we filed. Out of 803 fa's they had 4 only aged between 38 - 42. This is most definitely not the case now. They have been employing over 40's hand over fist for the last 6 plus months. Doesnt that tell even you something.
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I thought they had a marketing image that came first??
Oh well, another victim of political correctness. These 8 morals-crusaders who don't even seem to actually want the job can rest easy in the knowledge they have pushed their own ideals on someone else.
Even if they lose the court action, they've pushed VB into going against their "winning formula". Well done ladies.
Always amazes me how people will push their way into someplace they are clearly not wanted.
And that was right from the horses arse. Did you almost convince yourself of the validity of THAT statement before you hit "SUBMIT" ??
You hear it all the time: The punters believe hostying is a young girls' game. Unless you happen to be a boiler (or married to one). An old duck is no more experienced at opening an emergency exit than a 20-something because it really isn't something that happens everyday.
And VB obviously aren't selling "distinguished and Mum's home-made" service.
Oh well, another victim of political correctness. These 8 morals-crusaders who don't even seem to actually want the job can rest easy in the knowledge they have pushed their own ideals on someone else.
Even if they lose the court action, they've pushed VB into going against their "winning formula". Well done ladies.
Always amazes me how people will push their way into someplace they are clearly not wanted.
Did it occur to you that maybe Anflygirl might have wanted to improve the level of professionalism amongst the VB cabin crew?
You hear it all the time: The punters believe hostying is a young girls' game. Unless you happen to be a boiler (or married to one). An old duck is no more experienced at opening an emergency exit than a 20-something because it really isn't something that happens everyday.
And VB obviously aren't selling "distinguished and Mum's home-made" service.
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In fairness, Air-Hag, there is a little more to safety issues and capabilities than being able to open the exit. I can recall off the top of my head 2 dangerous good incidents that were averted because the FAs involved had a certain amount of experience and street-wisdom which enabled them to read the situation. This kind of rat-cunning only comes from being around a while and should be seen as good reason to have employment conditions that support any desire to stay as FA's in the industry as long as the individual wishes to. Even to the point where they are no longer young and pretty but old and beautiful. 
Go-dj, I would also like to make a general point out that Anflygirls and the other 7 have made a case based on alleged discrimination that occured some 2 years ago. This was made at a time when they were enthusiastic in their attitude regarding employemnt at VB. Had they been given a shot at the job back then, there is now reason why they would not have made constructive and valued employees at DJ.
I hope Brandon enjoyed his "Happy Birthday", after all, turning 21 IS a special day...
Go-dj, I would also like to make a general point out that Anflygirls and the other 7 have made a case based on alleged discrimination that occured some 2 years ago. This was made at a time when they were enthusiastic in their attitude regarding employemnt at VB. Had they been given a shot at the job back then, there is now reason why they would not have made constructive and valued employees at DJ.
I hope Brandon enjoyed his "Happy Birthday", after all, turning 21 IS a special day...
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Well okay, I agree with Ralph the Boing.
Solution:
Why not have one airline for boilers.... (Qantas),
one airline for vapid, buxom, horny young bimboids...... (Virgin) and
one for the ugly birds, horses-hooves, mothers, grand-mothers, cripples, non-English-speakers (how can they discriminate on that???) and "others"........... (Jetscar) ???
Won't this keep everyone happy?
Since qantas owns Jetster it shouldn't be hard to tee up between them and VB can just keep doing what they were doing.
Everyone's a winner!!!......
Solution:
Why not have one airline for boilers.... (Qantas),
one airline for vapid, buxom, horny young bimboids...... (Virgin) and
one for the ugly birds, horses-hooves, mothers, grand-mothers, cripples, non-English-speakers (how can they discriminate on that???) and "others"........... (Jetscar) ???
Won't this keep everyone happy?
Since qantas owns Jetster it shouldn't be hard to tee up between them and VB can just keep doing what they were doing.
Everyone's a winner!!!......
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The public perception of Virgin - the British parent company of Virgin Blue - was of an airline that employed youngish, blonde, Caucasian women as F/A's, and I believe that this was also how many Australians imagined the mould of VB F/A's would be.
That being the case, there were probably quite a number of prospective hopefuls who discounted THEMSELVES - and hence simply didn't apply.
I can only guess that many other females now realise that VB have NOT recruited on that basis, and that as they have grown it has become apparent that the features of their F/A's are as diverse as those of the general Oz population, and that an increasing number of applicants have felt more confident of applying, and being accepted.
I think there's a lot of "shadow boxing" as far as you ladies are concerned - you, YOURSELVES, have merely perceived that you were not accepted because of age/not being blonde/ not leggy/didn't sing well enough....etc.
Now the anti-discrimination laws raise a few interesting points. Below is an extract from an employment application of an airline that states the following:-
Equal Opportunities
In its treatment of staff and its consideration of candidates for employment, xxxxx is committed to a policy of non-discrimination on the grounds of an individual's sex, sexual orientation, age, marital status, disability, religion, creed, race, colour and national or ethnic origin. You do not have to complete this section of the form, however, in order to effectively monitor our equal opportunities policy it would help us to have the following information from you. This information will not be used as part of the selection process. This section merely asks for marital status!!!
However, prior to this, the application requests the following:-
Personal Details
Title
Mr. Ms.
Your Name
First Name xxxxxMiddle Name xxxxx Last Name xxxxx
Date of Birth (dd/mm/yyyy)
Age
Years xx Months xx
Nationality xxxxx
IF the applications are to be truly non-discriminatory, should not ALL of the above be excluded, and any interviews done behind a curtain - or better yet, with the applicant's lawyer attending in lieu?
IMO, this would be the ONLY way to TRULY achieve total non-discrimination.
Otherwise, the law is an ass!!
Out of 803 fa's they had 4 only aged between 38 - 42. This is most definitely not the case now. They have been employing over 40's hand over fist for the last 6 plus months. Doesnt that tell even you something.
That being the case, there were probably quite a number of prospective hopefuls who discounted THEMSELVES - and hence simply didn't apply.
I can only guess that many other females now realise that VB have NOT recruited on that basis, and that as they have grown it has become apparent that the features of their F/A's are as diverse as those of the general Oz population, and that an increasing number of applicants have felt more confident of applying, and being accepted.
I think there's a lot of "shadow boxing" as far as you ladies are concerned - you, YOURSELVES, have merely perceived that you were not accepted because of age/not being blonde/ not leggy/didn't sing well enough....etc.
Now the anti-discrimination laws raise a few interesting points. Below is an extract from an employment application of an airline that states the following:-
Equal Opportunities
In its treatment of staff and its consideration of candidates for employment, xxxxx is committed to a policy of non-discrimination on the grounds of an individual's sex, sexual orientation, age, marital status, disability, religion, creed, race, colour and national or ethnic origin. You do not have to complete this section of the form, however, in order to effectively monitor our equal opportunities policy it would help us to have the following information from you. This information will not be used as part of the selection process. This section merely asks for marital status!!!
However, prior to this, the application requests the following:-
Personal Details
Title
Mr. Ms.
Your Name
First Name xxxxxMiddle Name xxxxx Last Name xxxxx
Date of Birth (dd/mm/yyyy)
Age
Years xx Months xx
Nationality xxxxx
IF the applications are to be truly non-discriminatory, should not ALL of the above be excluded, and any interviews done behind a curtain - or better yet, with the applicant's lawyer attending in lieu?
IMO, this would be the ONLY way to TRULY achieve total non-discrimination.
Otherwise, the law is an ass!!
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Straight from the horses somewhere that is for sure!
So, you failed the Dj interview. Instantly, you and your other boilers decide it MUST be because of your age. Right. Great assumption. LET'S SUE, GIRLS!
Christ, what a load of horse pats! Have you actually seen the interviewer's "score card" and notes? No, I am sure you haven't. Judging by your previous remarks and those here, by heck, I don't think you DO have the credentials Virgin is looking for for THEIR COMPANY.
I once again find myself agreeing with Air-Hag to a certain degree. Oy vey
Discrimination my damned foot sorry! PROVE it.
Australia sure is becoming USA No2... by golly, I'll sue!
So, you failed the Dj interview. Instantly, you and your other boilers decide it MUST be because of your age. Right. Great assumption. LET'S SUE, GIRLS!
Christ, what a load of horse pats! Have you actually seen the interviewer's "score card" and notes? No, I am sure you haven't. Judging by your previous remarks and those here, by heck, I don't think you DO have the credentials Virgin is looking for for THEIR COMPANY.
I once again find myself agreeing with Air-Hag to a certain degree. Oy vey
Discrimination my damned foot sorry! PROVE it.
Australia sure is becoming USA No2... by golly, I'll sue!
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RTA, settle sweet pea. Prove it you say. We are you fool, thats what this little court case is all about. I wrote this very slowly for you because I am sure that you dont read too fast.
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Fool, maybe, but not an attention seeker...
You have opened a can of worms you cannot hope to ever close.
There will be NO tangible evidence - just emotions, hear-say, and slander. Their word against yours.
In big words - HOW CAN YOU PROVE, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, THAT YOU AND YOURS WERE REJECTED ON AGE? Come on, tell us HOW! You don't have to go into the details I am sure you are going to use in court. Did one interviewer lean over and say "Sorry dear, you are too old"?
Again, it seems all too much a media stunt.
Call me a fool all you want; I have big shoulders (goes with the mass). I won't go crying to the courts that you defamed me.
So, were / are you a Dixie Chicken or an Reg's Boiler?
You have opened a can of worms you cannot hope to ever close.
There will be NO tangible evidence - just emotions, hear-say, and slander. Their word against yours.
In big words - HOW CAN YOU PROVE, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, THAT YOU AND YOURS WERE REJECTED ON AGE? Come on, tell us HOW! You don't have to go into the details I am sure you are going to use in court. Did one interviewer lean over and say "Sorry dear, you are too old"?
Again, it seems all too much a media stunt.
Call me a fool all you want; I have big shoulders (goes with the mass). I won't go crying to the courts that you defamed me.
So, were / are you a Dixie Chicken or an Reg's Boiler?