Song and dance over 'ageist' Virgin
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Hey Guys,What is so bad about giving young people a chance to do the job we all enjoy?I know both Carol & Lyn (both my era).They both had their chance when they were young,now give someone else a go.
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Let Virgin employ who they want to employ.
There is nothing wrong wth giving young inexperienced people a go any more than there is giving old inexperienced people a go. Thats what this is all about. Discrimination based upon age. Thats exactly what VB does, and it is exactly what these people are fighting them over.
The experience that Carol mentions is more of an illustrative tool than anything else. She has proven that she can do the job. Now she has a fight with age.
VB are discriminating. Simple as that.
Ditzy, sinala, have either of you been on the receiving end of discrimination like this? You dont understand until you have seen it up close.
I watched my wife go through it. Its messy, painful, and just plain wrong. These big companies will use whatever nasty below the belt tactics they can come up with, lie cheat etc. It aint nice.
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Ditzy, sinala, have either of you been on the receiving end of discrimination like this? You dont understand until you have seen it up close.
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Yup, so you agree that is both unpleasant and wrong, sinala. So why just sit back and take it? Why allow VB to continue their illegal merry song and dance routine? Just because you are pushing sh1t uphill doesn't mean that you should give up. Try and try again, I say.
There is only one way to make these bastards realise and stop this behaviour and thats hit them where it hurts most - in the hip pocket. Thats the only language any of these corporations speak.
There is only one way to make these bastards realise and stop this behaviour and thats hit them where it hurts most - in the hip pocket. Thats the only language any of these corporations speak.
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Try and try again is what I am going to do with the airline that rejected me. But as I said, what proof do I have? How do I know that I was just not what they were after on the day? They do have males flying for them, and I am sure some of those males are on the same side of the fence as me, so on what basis could I stake my claim?
Same as these applicants that got rejected from dj... on what basis do they know that on the day, they were just not the most appropriate ones there? We agreed in an earlier post that perhaps DJ could include a range of activities to determine candidate suitability. I guess at the end of the day, just because someone has flying experience and was suitable for one particular airline, that does not necessarily make them suitable for another.... maybe that applies to both myself and the candidates that are taking this to court against dj?
(ps sorry to hear that your wife went through what appears to be such an unpleasant experience)
Same as these applicants that got rejected from dj... on what basis do they know that on the day, they were just not the most appropriate ones there? We agreed in an earlier post that perhaps DJ could include a range of activities to determine candidate suitability. I guess at the end of the day, just because someone has flying experience and was suitable for one particular airline, that does not necessarily make them suitable for another.... maybe that applies to both myself and the candidates that are taking this to court against dj?
(ps sorry to hear that your wife went through what appears to be such an unpleasant experience)
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.... don't forget the sack and crack.....
I think I speak for most guys when I say that the average punter does NOT want to fly somewhere and be served by his grandmother or one of her gummy bingo partners.
Ageist? So what??? Why should VB not be able to market their product the way they want?
Is anyone here dumb enough to think the name "Virgin" is not a carefully-chosen marketing ploy? Sex sells people. Hard to pass off a 70yo bag pushing her Coopers walking-frame as a virgin.
I have no problem with VB hiring who or what they want. These "vapid" bimbos, like it or not, are eye-candy with a semblance of "how to open the door and run away" thrown in.
At the end of the day, why are these old women still chasing the job anyway when they are clearly not wanted??? Maybe they smell a SETTLEMENT!!!
I know Ansett fell over and couldn't get back up (like a scene in the local nursing home) but come on, Ladies.. time to bow out gracefully.
Why aren't they taking QF to court?? You want boilers, fly Qantas.
Ageist? So what??? Why should VB not be able to market their product the way they want?
Is anyone here dumb enough to think the name "Virgin" is not a carefully-chosen marketing ploy? Sex sells people. Hard to pass off a 70yo bag pushing her Coopers walking-frame as a virgin.
I have no problem with VB hiring who or what they want. These "vapid" bimbos, like it or not, are eye-candy with a semblance of "how to open the door and run away" thrown in.
At the end of the day, why are these old women still chasing the job anyway when they are clearly not wanted??? Maybe they smell a SETTLEMENT!!!
I know Ansett fell over and couldn't get back up (like a scene in the local nursing home) but come on, Ladies.. time to bow out gracefully.
Why aren't they taking QF to court?? You want boilers, fly Qantas.
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Problem is hag, those "vapid bimbos" (i love that term!) will be boilers in 20 years. The other sticking point is of course, the LAW.
Yup, I've no doubt they can smell settlement. In my time as an airline pilot I have found that FAs generally are gifted in this area.
But, do they deserve a settlement. Virgin purely and simply discriminates on the basis of age. They do. Just look at them. Image or not, it is illegal.
THE POINT OF THIS IS NOT WHETHER THIS BEHAVIOUR IS MORAL OR OTHERWISE, IT IS THAT THE BEHAVIOUR IS, AT PRESENT, ILLEGAL.
The law is there for everyone to see. I didn't write it, but I have to observe it like everyone else. Whilst VB flouts this law, then they deserve what they get.
Yup, I've no doubt they can smell settlement. In my time as an airline pilot I have found that FAs generally are gifted in this area.
But, do they deserve a settlement. Virgin purely and simply discriminates on the basis of age. They do. Just look at them. Image or not, it is illegal.
THE POINT OF THIS IS NOT WHETHER THIS BEHAVIOUR IS MORAL OR OTHERWISE, IT IS THAT THE BEHAVIOUR IS, AT PRESENT, ILLEGAL.
The law is there for everyone to see. I didn't write it, but I have to observe it like everyone else. Whilst VB flouts this law, then they deserve what they get.
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I have to agree with Buster, the deal here is they wanted people who fit the profile of the company. How many Pilots did not get a QF jersey just because they did not fit the mold but are just as capable of the task as anyone else.
As Pilots we all know that experience and skill does not necessarily guarantee the job. Attitude and personality can either keep people coming back or send them to the opposition.
Perhaps young Carol had too much to say about the old days in the interview and blew it, who knows, if you were not their then let the courts decide and stop the speculation.
This site is starting to produce great poloticians, all say but know facts.
As Pilots we all know that experience and skill does not necessarily guarantee the job. Attitude and personality can either keep people coming back or send them to the opposition.
Perhaps young Carol had too much to say about the old days in the interview and blew it, who knows, if you were not their then let the courts decide and stop the speculation.
This site is starting to produce great poloticians, all say but know facts.
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Are ALL the ex-Ansett flight attendants associated with this case female? I ask this because I just saw the news item to this story on channel ten news, and right at the end of the story it showed them getting into a van and the last one in was male.
If he is one of the crew making this claim I can see from his attitude towards the camera man why he didn't get a position with VB.
If he is one of the crew making this claim I can see from his attitude towards the camera man why he didn't get a position with VB.
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Air Hag I am trying to decide whether you are pretending to be a moron or whether you are the genuine article. Imagine if your next employer required mature pilots who can separate their schoolboy fantasies from the reality of the workplace
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126.7, yours is perhaps the worst spelling and grammar that I have seen on PPRuNe. If you aren't careful, people will start calling you adama.
With that mate, you should stay in the desert and stop calling others "poloticians".
With that mate, you should stay in the desert and stop calling others "poloticians".
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Come on guys...is this for real?
Wasted time on whether 59 yr old "ladies" should be Air Hosties or not ??!!
Gimmee a break and get sensible!
They're all Grandmothers at that age and look like it!
Stupid old tarts!!(those wanting to be hosties, that is)
What's next?...69 yr olds wanting to be hosties?
And shweinhundt,stop being a politically correct twit!You're as big a drongo as they are!
Wasted time on whether 59 yr old "ladies" should be Air Hosties or not ??!!
Gimmee a break and get sensible!
They're all Grandmothers at that age and look like it!
Stupid old tarts!!(those wanting to be hosties, that is)
What's next?...69 yr olds wanting to be hosties?
And shweinhundt,stop being a politically correct twit!You're as big a drongo as they are!
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There is an interesting story behind the line here.
Virgin has well and truly seen the end of its Honeymoon period, and is now expected to demonstrate the same level of maturity as any other established business.
With that comes visible adherence to the relevant rules and regulations.
Whether or not they actually do discriminate, Virginblue, no Virgin group, purvey the image of youth and good looks (thier chairman excepted). It is inevidable that at some level there are those who will take unbrige to that fact.
Quite frankly, I think it is great for Qantas. As long as Virginblue continue to push the 'Fembot' image, they are helping to exclude themselves from the high yielding female business market.
Virgin has well and truly seen the end of its Honeymoon period, and is now expected to demonstrate the same level of maturity as any other established business.
With that comes visible adherence to the relevant rules and regulations.
Whether or not they actually do discriminate, Virginblue, no Virgin group, purvey the image of youth and good looks (thier chairman excepted). It is inevidable that at some level there are those who will take unbrige to that fact.
Quite frankly, I think it is great for Qantas. As long as Virginblue continue to push the 'Fembot' image, they are helping to exclude themselves from the high yielding female business market.
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Aw, C'MON!
I flew into defence of Ansett FA's recently on another forum here. I draw the line at this though!
Carol and Co are PAST IT! Sure, they have the knowledge, and the experience, but it is time to give the younger generation a go! They've had their time. Time to retire gracefully, not disgracefully in a bloody frivalous law suit, which is simply a stunt by all concerned. THEY KNOW they are not going to be readily employed by anyone.
Why not employ these old boilers as trainers. Great for that!
There is NO disrespect intended by me towards anyone. Heck, my mother is an ex-AN old boiler, and she laughed at this media stunt!
Hang up the hat girls. You've done your part admirably.
Carol and Co are PAST IT! Sure, they have the knowledge, and the experience, but it is time to give the younger generation a go! They've had their time. Time to retire gracefully, not disgracefully in a bloody frivalous law suit, which is simply a stunt by all concerned. THEY KNOW they are not going to be readily employed by anyone.
Why not employ these old boilers as trainers. Great for that!
There is NO disrespect intended by me towards anyone. Heck, my mother is an ex-AN old boiler, and she laughed at this media stunt!
Hang up the hat girls. You've done your part admirably.
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You want a job, ya gotta 'sing and dance' for any employer, one way or another.
That means:
- Psyche & Skills 'singing and dancing'
- Sim ride 'singing and dancing'
- Interview 'singing and dancing'
- Group interaction 'singing and dancing'
- etc etc etc etc 'singing and dancing'
This time, it was actually singing and dancing.
What's the diff? Don't like the 'process', apply elsewhere.
Does that make sense??
That means:
- Psyche & Skills 'singing and dancing'
- Sim ride 'singing and dancing'
- Interview 'singing and dancing'
- Group interaction 'singing and dancing'
- etc etc etc etc 'singing and dancing'
This time, it was actually singing and dancing.
What's the diff? Don't like the 'process', apply elsewhere.
Does that make sense??
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I think most here are missing the point.
If part of the recruitment process is singing and dancing then that is what you must do to have any chance of getting the job.
Many will say that what has this got to do with doing a good job as a FA.
That is a seperate issue altogether.
Is this the only recruitment process that many of us disagree with. This by the way occurs in various industries not only aviation.
If part of the recruitment process is singing and dancing then that is what you must do to have any chance of getting the job.
Many will say that what has this got to do with doing a good job as a FA.
That is a seperate issue altogether.
Is this the only recruitment process that many of us disagree with. This by the way occurs in various industries not only aviation.
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I think besides singing and dancing they should also be made to demonstrate their skills in a jelly-wrestling pit. A form of "milling".
And why not??? This way they can show just how determined they are to get the job. A lot will fail the test and this saves the airline in the long run. And no one gets hurt because it's only jelly.
This would solve the "age" issue because the boilers would throw out a hip or drop their false teeth into the tub and lose the round.
At the same time the pilots can be standing around checking out their assets in the area of what they have no control over.. IE they were born with (or without) it. This is also important.
And why not??? This way they can show just how determined they are to get the job. A lot will fail the test and this saves the airline in the long run. And no one gets hurt because it's only jelly.
This would solve the "age" issue because the boilers would throw out a hip or drop their false teeth into the tub and lose the round.
At the same time the pilots can be standing around checking out their assets in the area of what they have no control over.. IE they were born with (or without) it. This is also important.
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Without giving an opinion one way or the other....
these women appeared on the news here tonight (Perth)
apparently they were offered an out-of-court settlement but refused it, they do not want money they just want an apology. Unquote. Make of it what you will.
Sky
these women appeared on the news here tonight (Perth)
apparently they were offered an out-of-court settlement but refused it, they do not want money they just want an apology. Unquote. Make of it what you will.
Sky