Qantas employ cadets for JETSTAR ASIA
mole1010, its fairly unlikely that the JSA cadets (if they ever go into Qantas and aren't offered Commands at cheap rates or some such thing at JSA for their Qf positions...
) will stay long on the bus once in Qf, maybe as s/o’s but that is it. It's the same argument as saying keep current cadets who are Boeing s/o's in Qf on the Boeings...doubt it will carry much weight above s/o but then again who knows 
Hydrolix, Cadets aren’t required to stay at Qf any longer than a normal direct entry pilot (18 months or 3 years or something like that from memory). And the option was there to pay my way out too, the whole idea of the bond was to make sure they got their money's worth for the initial endorsement etc. I believe.
) will stay long on the bus once in Qf, maybe as s/o’s but that is it. It's the same argument as saying keep current cadets who are Boeing s/o's in Qf on the Boeings...doubt it will carry much weight above s/o but then again who knows Hydrolix, Cadets aren’t required to stay at Qf any longer than a normal direct entry pilot (18 months or 3 years or something like that from memory). And the option was there to pay my way out too, the whole idea of the bond was to make sure they got their money's worth for the initial endorsement etc. I believe.
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Well done to those of you cadets who have gotten a position. But really how can CASA say that QF training is so great that these guys can jump in and fly an A320 with really no experiance and a GA bloke with a few thousand hours and only a couple of hundred multi command turbine does not meet requirements to fly a Dash 8 or similar RPT command. Seems that CASA is A** covering again. This rule needs to be changed. As far as I am aware Aus is the only country that has this rule. Time needs a changing to keep some good drivers in GA. Bruce Byron time to help some of your supporters out.
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guys,
A serious question why is 500 M/E command needed by some operators in Australia, what does doing these hours prove to them?
1. That you have been by yourself in clapped out old GA aircraft in all types of sh*tty weather, and learnt to make decisions by yourself with out any body holding your hand????
2. Will a pilot with this flying expirience be able to handle a multi crew jet if the skipper falls over by themselves??? ie a A320 or 737 style machine???? Will he be better than a pure airline cadet????
Cheers,
DW.
A serious question why is 500 M/E command needed by some operators in Australia, what does doing these hours prove to them?
1. That you have been by yourself in clapped out old GA aircraft in all types of sh*tty weather, and learnt to make decisions by yourself with out any body holding your hand????
2. Will a pilot with this flying expirience be able to handle a multi crew jet if the skipper falls over by themselves??? ie a A320 or 737 style machine???? Will he be better than a pure airline cadet????
Cheers,
DW.
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Best "you" look at the CAOs as CAO82.3 states in Appendix 4 of Low capicity RPT ops above 5700 kg the PIC must hold min of 2000 hrs including 500 pic multi engine aeroplanes under IFR.
But yes if you operate the same Dash 8 under a high capicity AOC then no that requirement is not applicable.
Best "you" look at the CAOs as CAO82.3 states in Appendix 4 of Low capicity RPT ops above 5700 kg the PIC must hold min of 2000 hrs including 500 pic multi engine aeroplanes under IFR.
But yes if you operate the same Dash 8 under a high capicity AOC then no that requirement is not applicable.
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Aerocom, sorry I misunderstood your point,
but the cadets will be F/Os on the 320, not PIC!
There is more experience needed to be in command of a dash than to be a 320 F/O. That is how it should be! [pay & conditions are another matter]
but the cadets will be F/Os on the 320, not PIC!
There is more experience needed to be in command of a dash than to be a 320 F/O. That is how it should be! [pay & conditions are another matter]
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what about a passengers perspective? If the airbus was making an approach into singapore and/or Hong Kong in heavy turbulence, poor visibility and crosswinds etc.
As a paying customer who would i prefer you ask? To look after my health. Simple.
The guy who used to fly twin otters onto the landing strips in New Guniea. I think he would be the one i would prefer.
I would feel happy with him at the front. Proven reliability i think.
As a paying customer who would i prefer you ask? To look after my health. Simple.
The guy who used to fly twin otters onto the landing strips in New Guniea. I think he would be the one i would prefer.
I would feel happy with him at the front. Proven reliability i think.
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ajax catch - its a low cost airline. the pax pay not much, the pilots get paid not much.
you get what you pay for.
you want the experienced guy, you pay for it. the choice is yours alone.
you get what you pay for.
you want the experienced guy, you pay for it. the choice is yours alone.
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Well it is probably time to mention the left seat. The reason why these neophytes will succeed is because seated left side will be the proven reliability of 15,000 plus hr, ex-Ansett A320 I.P.s/ C.P.s. (who have been circling the globe in A340s for the past 18 months). Yes it is a training ground for QF however, there is a much larger picture here and you guys neeeeed aaaa biggggger scccccreen. 
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Guys, I fly for a big european operator who employs cadets. Yes they do perform well........when the sun is shinning and some of them even think of themselves as sky Gods, but when the s...t hits the fan I feel very much alone.
Don't know who mentioned that but he was down right, this creates a weird gradient of authority.
Spot on as far as ATC goes. It happened to me flying to the Middle East. The F/O would have done anything he was told to and I'm sorry to say that it has been seen that the Captain loses consciousness, what then ???
I know the answer : the odds of.........blabla bla.
This job is about experience and maturity, not rocket science.
I am a much happier fellow when I get an ex Air Force, Navy or regional guy in the right hand seat.
Not everything that happens on those flight decks makes headlines, let alone rumours but the fact remains they do happen. Some of them are real shockers.
Last news from Lufthansa is that new cadets will only have 80 and I say eighty hours starting their A320 course. The rest will only be from the box.
The beam of satisfaction in these management pilot's eyes sends a chill down my spine.
We're not talking crew anymore but a Captain with his personal assistant !!
Don't know who mentioned that but he was down right, this creates a weird gradient of authority.
Spot on as far as ATC goes. It happened to me flying to the Middle East. The F/O would have done anything he was told to and I'm sorry to say that it has been seen that the Captain loses consciousness, what then ???
I know the answer : the odds of.........blabla bla.
This job is about experience and maturity, not rocket science.
I am a much happier fellow when I get an ex Air Force, Navy or regional guy in the right hand seat.
Not everything that happens on those flight decks makes headlines, let alone rumours but the fact remains they do happen. Some of them are real shockers.
Last news from Lufthansa is that new cadets will only have 80 and I say eighty hours starting their A320 course. The rest will only be from the box.
The beam of satisfaction in these management pilot's eyes sends a chill down my spine.
We're not talking crew anymore but a Captain with his personal assistant !!
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Just announced in the last few days from my sources, qantas cadets from the 2003 course awaiting industry placement have been placed with Jetstar Asia flying A320's out of singapore as first officers with only 250 hours total.
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What are the details of the contract.
It must be exceptional for A340 pilots to be interested.
Its not 50% of what mainline Qantas is getting is it?.
The cadets aren't being trained up to fly for peanuts are they?.
It must be exceptional for A340 pilots to be interested.
Its not 50% of what mainline Qantas is getting is it?.
The cadets aren't being trained up to fly for peanuts are they?.
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Jetstar Asia money looks OK for the region considering current crop of low costs starting up there. F/O $6000pm+overtime over 55hrs at $140an hr Singapore dollars. Capt $10,000 pm + $235hr over 55.+ medical coverage. A resonable training bond pro rata. No other perks. I doubt good enough to attract 340 drivers. But possible better than 717pay back home.
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I know one of the QF '03 Cadets. Most of them have gone to Skip's, Air North and the like... apparently there's a handful that QF have talked to regarding the Jet* Asia thing. This cadet told me that the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore were not happy with the 250hr F/O plan... CAAS asked QF to give the 250hr F/Os a jet endorsement on say a citation, and some hours. Apparently the NZ 50 sector line training thing fell through too... I dunno how reliable this is but this girl IS a cadet that QF have been talking to about this Jet* Asia thing... We'll see.
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CM...rent in Singapore is nothing like the figures you quote. 2 years ago I was renting a luxury 4 bedroom condo with huge pool/BBQ area and 4 undercover tennis courts for Sin2400/mth. In the intervening period rents have gone down in Singapore.
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.. where is the saw dust in this circus.. these cadets getting seniority whilst not even being in the airline (mainline).. does that mean that every pilot in australia is going to get a ghost seniority number???.. cause you obviously dont have to be employed by the Q to get one!.. why should they have seniority while they are learning to fly???...i think as soon as these guys get sniffed... they will probably get eaten up by other airlines such as dragon air to get paid 4 or 5 times more... welcome to Dragon Air Flying School..
just my 2 cents
