Jetstar cabin cleaning?
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And when all this wonderfull team effort achieves regular 25 min. turnarounds will you get a pat on the back girls amd guys.
PIGS B@M. The BEAN COUNTERS will want 20 min. turnarounds.
why bother, you wont be getting the performance bonus.
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I seem to remember AN pilots having blue shirts years ago. This could work well for LCC pilots as well. Just think about it, they could get up to the elbows in the toilet and they would never stain their shirts.
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I remember when all those other Airlines had Aircraft operating here some time ago, I think it was about 1989 
, some of those Pilots could not believe how long it took to turnround their Aircraft in Australia. 
They were used to around 15-20 minute turnrounds.
Mind you, there is NO way I would like to see the standards that some of them operated to becoming the norm in Australia.
OBVIOUSLY the Airlines want their Aircraft in the air earning money, NOT sitting on the ground half the day, but some of these turnrounds are getting back to what these foreign Crews wanted in 1989, I truly believe 30 minutes is about the minimum to do it safely, WHATEVER Airline we are talking about.
, some of those Pilots could not believe how long it took to turnround their Aircraft in Australia. They were used to around 15-20 minute turnrounds.
Mind you, there is NO way I would like to see the standards that some of them operated to becoming the norm in Australia.
OBVIOUSLY the Airlines want their Aircraft in the air earning money, NOT sitting on the ground half the day, but some of these turnrounds are getting back to what these foreign Crews wanted in 1989, I truly believe 30 minutes is about the minimum to do it safely, WHATEVER Airline we are talking about.
Hey Airsupport (lame),
Is that "major" airlines or fake airlines?
Why not make all turnarounds 3 hours, that way a service check can be done on every flight by a team of old timers. That would even make it safer!
Is that "major" airlines or fake airlines?
Why not make all turnarounds 3 hours, that way a service check can be done on every flight by a team of old timers. That would even make it safer!
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Commander Adama
If you think that pilots cleaning aircraft cabins is an example of CRM in practice, then you need to look at the concept of CRM and its application.
I would have thought that MULTI SKILLING would be a more appropriate term for these "cleaner pilots".
Only thing is that the cleaners probably earn more than a Jetstar F/O.
Maybe your pilot council can negotiate a cleaning allowance in your next EBA.
If you think that pilots cleaning aircraft cabins is an example of CRM in practice, then you need to look at the concept of CRM and its application.
I would have thought that MULTI SKILLING would be a more appropriate term for these "cleaner pilots".
Only thing is that the cleaners probably earn more than a Jetstar F/O.
Maybe your pilot council can negotiate a cleaning allowance in your next EBA.
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From what I remember when I used to help clean the 717's, the only reason the boys used to help with the clean was if they thought they had a chance of getting up close and personal with one of the FA's on the overnight!!!
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Jeezuz, I can't believe I waisted 5 minutes of my life sifting through some of the crap in this thread.
Ansett in WA, and Airlink ( although not scheduled as 25 ) did 25 minute turnarounds regularly, with the pilots still sitting around with nothing to do for at least 10 of those minutes ( except if refuelling ), the 71 is a similar size A/C.
Any of you guys/gals that can't do your pilot stuff in less than 25 minutes........................retire, you are obviously too slow to be operating a jet.
Someone did make a good point however, 25 minutes will be impossible with a full A320, for no other reason than the time the cattle take to get on and off, especially through one door.
my 2 cents.................
Ansett in WA, and Airlink ( although not scheduled as 25 ) did 25 minute turnarounds regularly, with the pilots still sitting around with nothing to do for at least 10 of those minutes ( except if refuelling ), the 71 is a similar size A/C.
Any of you guys/gals that can't do your pilot stuff in less than 25 minutes........................retire, you are obviously too slow to be operating a jet.
Someone did make a good point however, 25 minutes will be impossible with a full A320, for no other reason than the time the cattle take to get on and off, especially through one door.
my 2 cents.................
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The plan is to ALWAYS use both L1 and L2 for boarding and disembarkation.
Also the schedule has 30 minute transits for the 320s. Not sure if that will always be the plan or just while the company gets used to them.
You'd be surprised how quickly boarding happens with free seating. I can't figure out why as haven't seen pax running to the aircraft... It gets a bit messy in the gate lounge though with pax 'rushing' us to tear boarding passes faster. But I don't think boarding has taken longer than 8 minutes on my flights so far.
No doubt using two doors will make it quicker - especially for disembarkation.
And for those of you who are still concerned I have not seen a tech crew help on 25 minute transits. Some even apologising that 'they were busy'. And I assume that it wasn't doing their makeup!
Our 'tidying' tasks only take two minutes so it is usually over by the time the guys get out of the flight deck anyway.
Also the schedule has 30 minute transits for the 320s. Not sure if that will always be the plan or just while the company gets used to them.
You'd be surprised how quickly boarding happens with free seating. I can't figure out why as haven't seen pax running to the aircraft... It gets a bit messy in the gate lounge though with pax 'rushing' us to tear boarding passes faster. But I don't think boarding has taken longer than 8 minutes on my flights so far.
No doubt using two doors will make it quicker - especially for disembarkation.
And for those of you who are still concerned I have not seen a tech crew help on 25 minute transits. Some even apologising that 'they were busy'. And I assume that it wasn't doing their makeup!
Our 'tidying' tasks only take two minutes so it is usually over by the time the guys get out of the flight deck anyway.
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The only reason I can see why cockpit crew would be motivated to help cabin crew with cleaning during a turn is to improve CRM and COCKpit/cabIN relationsHIPS. By that I mean trying to impress some cute tart with your helpfulness in an atttempt to get your ... (please read above capitals!).
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......... TSM crisis
Well I was thinking the same thing but generally spelling out the obvious that clearly doesn't usually go down so well around here. Some dorks like to think it's all about "CRM"..... Do they even know what it is?
CRM helping to prevent a disaster? Which disaster...... other than a bad case of Toxic S____m Overload.
*imagines a pilot cleaning up cabin crap just to be nice*
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA..... ! ! !
CRM helping to prevent a disaster? Which disaster...... other than a bad case of Toxic S____m Overload.
*imagines a pilot cleaning up cabin crap just to be nice*
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA..... ! ! !
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Ditzy... your right
I have done a fair few 25 minute turn arounds, and providing that everyone helps out and everything goes to plan, then it should all go well.
I know in MEL we have a concourse person, who meet and greets all arriving aircraft, i have done a fair bit of this position and have an absolute ball, meeting crew and gaining friendships! By the end of the week we all know each other. Anyway, if this person gets the aircraft ontime,which i dont recall anyone
missing a flight, helps get everyone off, including SSR's then everyone is normally off within 8-20 mins. Then, depending on the person, i usuaally help with the crossing of seatbelts and picking up rubbish, cutting cleaning time.
However, its also the CSO at the checkin's role that plys a vital role in the turn around. If they are continuring to check-in after the 30 minute cut off, then there is noway that the aircraft will get away ontime! Some CSO's let people in 5 mins after closing,giving them only 3 mins to get from the checkin to the gate... impossible! So we dont wait in MEL, once 30 mins is gone and noone in the line, sign closed... seeya later. everyone knows the rules... rules for one rules for all! If everyone can manage to get there between 2 hours and 30 mins prior, so can you.
So if all that goes well and everyone is off ontime, as soon as the CSO arrives at the gate the cabin crew should be ready for boarding. With team work and Infants, Wheelies and elderly first to board before other pax, they are out the way and wont slow the process down. Boarding takes only 10 mins, Takes 3 mins to get everything signed and checked... door closed, aerobridge back.. Seeya later... Off blocks in, and most times just under the 25 mins, depending on how everyone works together. I do admit that we have some people with us that slow the turnaround time down, but we will get there, we have olny been operating 2 weeks.
Ok im finishing babbly crap... just giving the way the turn arounds go when im on concourse.. cause if the CSO's are up here when im about to board, i either ring them or radio them to tell them to hurry up.
Ditzy, i havnt ever seen the pilots cleaning, and when cabin crew require vaccuming, i try to help wheever posible, depending on other flights arriving. But i you dont believe me...get a stop watch and go sit at the airport... It can be done! and Jetstar will prove that, and some of us have already prooved it.
Ok ill shutup now!
OOOOOOOOOPSIES!!!!!
Ok ok ok!! I meant 8-10 mins NOT 8-20mins!!
Not used to typing on the laptop! Please dont eat my head off this time for some dumb mistake! Hey at least i corrected it straight away fo you!
I have done a fair few 25 minute turn arounds, and providing that everyone helps out and everything goes to plan, then it should all go well.
I know in MEL we have a concourse person, who meet and greets all arriving aircraft, i have done a fair bit of this position and have an absolute ball, meeting crew and gaining friendships! By the end of the week we all know each other. Anyway, if this person gets the aircraft ontime,which i dont recall anyone
missing a flight, helps get everyone off, including SSR's then everyone is normally off within 8-20 mins. Then, depending on the person, i usuaally help with the crossing of seatbelts and picking up rubbish, cutting cleaning time.
However, its also the CSO at the checkin's role that plys a vital role in the turn around. If they are continuring to check-in after the 30 minute cut off, then there is noway that the aircraft will get away ontime! Some CSO's let people in 5 mins after closing,giving them only 3 mins to get from the checkin to the gate... impossible! So we dont wait in MEL, once 30 mins is gone and noone in the line, sign closed... seeya later. everyone knows the rules... rules for one rules for all! If everyone can manage to get there between 2 hours and 30 mins prior, so can you.
So if all that goes well and everyone is off ontime, as soon as the CSO arrives at the gate the cabin crew should be ready for boarding. With team work and Infants, Wheelies and elderly first to board before other pax, they are out the way and wont slow the process down. Boarding takes only 10 mins, Takes 3 mins to get everything signed and checked... door closed, aerobridge back.. Seeya later... Off blocks in, and most times just under the 25 mins, depending on how everyone works together. I do admit that we have some people with us that slow the turnaround time down, but we will get there, we have olny been operating 2 weeks.
Ok im finishing babbly crap... just giving the way the turn arounds go when im on concourse.. cause if the CSO's are up here when im about to board, i either ring them or radio them to tell them to hurry up.
Ditzy, i havnt ever seen the pilots cleaning, and when cabin crew require vaccuming, i try to help wheever posible, depending on other flights arriving. But i you dont believe me...get a stop watch and go sit at the airport... It can be done! and Jetstar will prove that, and some of us have already prooved it.
Ok ill shutup now!
OOOOOOOOOPSIES!!!!!
Ok ok ok!! I meant 8-10 mins NOT 8-20mins!!
Not used to typing on the laptop! Please dont eat my head off this time for some dumb mistake! Hey at least i corrected it straight away fo you!
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I think, ditzyboy, that it's about time that you vacated these forums and gathered with your "abnormal lot", rather than trying to mix it with us here...
you're obviously out of your depth and, quite frankly, you're an embarrassment to yourself as well to us!...
you need to go elsewhere!
you're obviously out of your depth and, quite frankly, you're an embarrassment to yourself as well to us!...
you need to go elsewhere!