Qantas FO's and SO's-Jetstar - cont`d
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Ahhhh, you forget Kapitan San...
THESE GUYS AREN"T IN IN FOR THE MONEY!
Maybe if they offered peanuts then the IPC would look at it seriously...?
Or maybe I'm just old and cynical....
THESE GUYS AREN"T IN IN FOR THE MONEY!
Maybe if they offered peanuts then the IPC would look at it seriously...?
Or maybe I'm just old and cynical....
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Proplever - I think you've hit the nail on the head re Rostov and his men - they have been turned down.
As for Adama - he doesn't work for mainline - so what would he really know?
As for Adama - he doesn't work for mainline - so what would he really know?
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the bloody shame of it all is that if these loosers didnt take up jobs with DJ and impulse etc etc etc this job would still be worth doing with a bit of pride and cash in the bank.
gone are those days now i guess. thanks all concerned
gone are those days now i guess. thanks all concerned
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So are the "etc etc etc' meant to apply to the new joiner J* pilots, QFnluvinit - most of whom you'll be familiar with from a past life I'm sure?
Isn't it about time for pilots to (try to) stop putting sh!te on each other, wake up to where the REAL erosion of our conditions is being initiated, and start to pull TOGETHER rather than APART??!!
Isn't it about time for pilots to (try to) stop putting sh!te on each other, wake up to where the REAL erosion of our conditions is being initiated, and start to pull TOGETHER rather than APART??!!
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Kaptain : well said
Once again the so called aviation profession is being bagged and let down by a grubby little few. Good old lots of mates Pete Conrad, Propy and QFnluvinit.
The non aviation people who read this forum will probably be afraid to fly with nut cases such as yourselves fueling all this hatred at Jetstar folk. The jetstar folk did what any other person what do in the same situation.
Go for the real culprits. The Jetstar folk have houses and families to feed. Unite and join forces. There is more power in numbers and use this to fuel future growth in conditions. All this hatred falls under the category of divide and conquer. Funnily enough you jokers just don't see this. Ahh. Must be all that bent up wisdom you pocess of which you are so happy to share with us.
AIPA must attract Jetstar folk and with that strive to maintain current and improve future conditions.
Happynow?
Once again the so called aviation profession is being bagged and let down by a grubby little few. Good old lots of mates Pete Conrad, Propy and QFnluvinit.
The non aviation people who read this forum will probably be afraid to fly with nut cases such as yourselves fueling all this hatred at Jetstar folk. The jetstar folk did what any other person what do in the same situation.
Go for the real culprits. The Jetstar folk have houses and families to feed. Unite and join forces. There is more power in numbers and use this to fuel future growth in conditions. All this hatred falls under the category of divide and conquer. Funnily enough you jokers just don't see this. Ahh. Must be all that bent up wisdom you pocess of which you are so happy to share with us.
AIPA must attract Jetstar folk and with that strive to maintain current and improve future conditions.
Happynow?
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Give it a rest Pete. Adama may be a reject from Battlestar Galactica but that doesn't make him a reject from QF. His comments may be crappy but we don't need to be reacting with b/s and arrogance.
Just once it'd be nice if we took someone 'out' legitimately instead of resorting to the 'reject' comment.
Just once it'd be nice if we took someone 'out' legitimately instead of resorting to the 'reject' comment.
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Actually, it is interesting to note that Adama wishes to join something by the name of "Apia"...?
Now that is either a city in the South Pacific, or it is the Australian Pensioners Insurance Agency.
And whilst this discussion is condusive to nought, you should note Adama, that you have dished out your little bit of invective on this forum. So don't be at all surprised if Pete, Propy, and QF give just a little bit back, eh?
And Keg? Please stop moderating this forum on behalf of QF. Thanks mate.
Apia must attract Jetstar folk and with that strive to maintain current and improve future conditions
And whilst this discussion is condusive to nought, you should note Adama, that you have dished out your little bit of invective on this forum. So don't be at all surprised if Pete, Propy, and QF give just a little bit back, eh?
And Keg? Please stop moderating this forum on behalf of QF. Thanks mate.
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Sorry Keg, didn't mean to offend you. If they can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen - this aint an early learning center, then again - it just may be.
Being a wellspring must get tiresome Keg - management are not going to praise you any more or less.
Being a wellspring must get tiresome Keg - management are not going to praise you any more or less.
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Well you might like to think of it this way, PC (and it`ll probably give you a warm, fuzzy feeling inside as well 
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The number of pilots who apply and subsequently qualify to enter QANTAS, is only a small percentage of the original applicants (getting warm & fuzzy yet, Pete ), so when you abuse the likes of Commander Adama, by calling him a reject, you are - in fact - insulting probably a majority of the readers here!
But then you are a QANTAS pilot, and I would have thought that with your supreme intellect that you continually remind us you possess, you would have realised that already.
You disappoint me, Pete.
).The number of pilots who apply and subsequently qualify to enter QANTAS, is only a small percentage of the original applicants (getting warm & fuzzy yet, Pete ), so when you abuse the likes of Commander Adama, by calling him a reject, you are - in fact - insulting probably a majority of the readers here!
But then you are a QANTAS pilot, and I would have thought that with your supreme intellect that you continually remind us you possess, you would have realised that already.
You disappoint me, Pete.
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Hey Kap, bit rich coming from a man who wallows in his mistake of 89. Guess if you had of used your supreme intellect in 89, you wouldn't be on pprune now.
Sorry to sound harsh Kap, but you dissapoint me, I agreed with alot of your posts but it is a rumour network and ones voicing of opinion is a right we have here in Australia. Have you not got something more constructive to add rather than comment on a bit of banter between self and Adama?
I dish it out as good as I cop it on here Kap, if people can't handle that then it aint my problem.
Sorry to sound harsh Kap, but you dissapoint me, I agreed with alot of your posts but it is a rumour network and ones voicing of opinion is a right we have here in Australia. Have you not got something more constructive to add rather than comment on a bit of banter between self and Adama?
I dish it out as good as I cop it on here Kap, if people can't handle that then it aint my problem.
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Stand united
The gangs are forming.
Let's not wallow in the mistakes of AIPA even if CM bought his beach hut in APIA
This forum should be used to show a united front instead a splintered group of bitter individuals.
And Pete we would'nt be in this situation if 89 never happened.
A lot of experience OZpats helped to set up the 717 operation. They were not rejects of QF but victims of 89.
Jet* is reality, the queue to mainline command just got longer and management are looking at this as classic "Divide and rule"
Let's not wallow in the mistakes of AIPA even if CM bought his beach hut in APIA
This forum should be used to show a united front instead a splintered group of bitter individuals.
And Pete we would'nt be in this situation if 89 never happened.
A lot of experience OZpats helped to set up the 717 operation. They were not rejects of QF but victims of 89.
Jet* is reality, the queue to mainline command just got longer and management are looking at this as classic "Divide and rule"
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Anyone else over this?
I am sick and tired of hearing the bleatings of the disaffected and maligned at QF who believe the industry is done for and how while you weren't looking, the IPC copped a feel of your mum's... Why don't you leave, quit, go do something else.
Do you really think it's all happy gas, ferris wheels and big bucks in the real world? Think about what kind of garbage you (people like) Pete "Mr IQ" Conrad and his emanance, Proplevered are spreading here.
I don't work for QF, never have and don't want to if it means dealing with some of the precious individuals posting comments on this site. Never the less I do have close friends working for them and Virgin, Eastern, Impulse, Rex, Skippers, Air North and ******. All very capable and intelligent people. To basically brand the Impulse guys and girls scabs and paint them as the root of all evil is just plain pathetic.
Proplever, why don't you do something affirmitive about what you obviously believe so strongly in? Whinge to AIPA, go on strike, ring A Current Affair, maybe they will champion your cause. They could follow GD in the carpark and get hidden cameras on your flight to see how hard you have it? I can see it now though you'd hide behind a shillouette and have your voice altered, because hey, it's anonomyous right!
As I understand it only 400 pilots out of the 2200? or so in QF mainline bothered to lodge a formal objection to the outsoucing of the LCC operation. I guess this was probably most of the S/O's and a few F/O's? The way I see it GD has played a polished game, he's got AIPA's hand's tied, secured a lower cost base than DJ for the LCC and comes out looking squeaky clean whilst morons like you blame Impulse pilots. It was essentially job preservation. My heart bleeds for you and your arguments about how the Impulse crews should not take the job for less remuneration. Your job is being secured by QF's ability to remain competitive.
There wouldn't be too many pilots in the country who haven't worked for below award wages etc. It's all too easy to sit back now that you're in an airline and bag everyone. Perhaps if when we earned our CPL's we were elligible to join a pilot professional body that was apolitical and protected our interests, like just about every other profession, we could stand united. AIPA has eroded it's negotiating clout by it's elitist membership criteria.
Sorry if I don't counter the inevitable backlash to my post but I do have other things to do outside the aviation creche.
Cronus, wants to eat your children....
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Do you really think it's all happy gas, ferris wheels and big bucks in the real world? Think about what kind of garbage you (people like) Pete "Mr IQ" Conrad and his emanance, Proplevered are spreading here.
I don't work for QF, never have and don't want to if it means dealing with some of the precious individuals posting comments on this site. Never the less I do have close friends working for them and Virgin, Eastern, Impulse, Rex, Skippers, Air North and ******. All very capable and intelligent people. To basically brand the Impulse guys and girls scabs and paint them as the root of all evil is just plain pathetic.
Proplever, why don't you do something affirmitive about what you obviously believe so strongly in? Whinge to AIPA, go on strike, ring A Current Affair, maybe they will champion your cause. They could follow GD in the carpark and get hidden cameras on your flight to see how hard you have it? I can see it now though you'd hide behind a shillouette and have your voice altered, because hey, it's anonomyous right!
As I understand it only 400 pilots out of the 2200? or so in QF mainline bothered to lodge a formal objection to the outsoucing of the LCC operation. I guess this was probably most of the S/O's and a few F/O's? The way I see it GD has played a polished game, he's got AIPA's hand's tied, secured a lower cost base than DJ for the LCC and comes out looking squeaky clean whilst morons like you blame Impulse pilots. It was essentially job preservation. My heart bleeds for you and your arguments about how the Impulse crews should not take the job for less remuneration. Your job is being secured by QF's ability to remain competitive.
There wouldn't be too many pilots in the country who haven't worked for below award wages etc. It's all too easy to sit back now that you're in an airline and bag everyone. Perhaps if when we earned our CPL's we were elligible to join a pilot professional body that was apolitical and protected our interests, like just about every other profession, we could stand united. AIPA has eroded it's negotiating clout by it's elitist membership criteria.
Sorry if I don't counter the inevitable backlash to my post but I do have other things to do outside the aviation creche.
Cronus, wants to eat your children....
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The non aviation people who read this forum will probably be afraid to fly with nut cases such as yourselves fueling all this hatred at Jetstar folk
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Sunset, thanks! I'm glad someone has shown an understanding of EXACTLY what I'm standing for.
This situation affects ALL of us.
Cronus, instead of whinging about the whingers at QF, (which makes you equally a whinger BTW), try and understand what it is that we are upset about.
The downward spiral continues whilst you and others like you stick your head in the sand and attempt to somehow justify and rationalise the actions of people like the IPC.
And 400 pilots out of 2200? Thats nearly 20%! You see what happens if 20% of the Australian population wrote to John Howard. Jeez, you reckon he'd sit up and take notice? In any democracy, a figure of nearly 20% is a massive turn out. AIPA would be doing well to take more notice than they are.
Adama? Please don't call me "grubby". And I won't call you nasty names either.
This situation affects ALL of us.
Cronus, instead of whinging about the whingers at QF, (which makes you equally a whinger BTW), try and understand what it is that we are upset about.
The downward spiral continues whilst you and others like you stick your head in the sand and attempt to somehow justify and rationalise the actions of people like the IPC.
And 400 pilots out of 2200? Thats nearly 20%! You see what happens if 20% of the Australian population wrote to John Howard. Jeez, you reckon he'd sit up and take notice? In any democracy, a figure of nearly 20% is a massive turn out. AIPA would be doing well to take more notice than they are.
Adama? Please don't call me "grubby". And I won't call you nasty names either.
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Sunsetbird. I think you have really missed the point here. To question a persons professionalism, on the basis of coporate decisions is frankly hopeless. I love the way in your post you infer that Impulse pilots actively went out to undermine mainline pilots. I guess if you are drawing such a long bow, you might as well question the sanity of mainliners " allowing " jetconnect to go through to the keeper. Whilst also sitting down and having a good look at the fellas that didnt even raise an eyebrow when AIPA blocked any entry into the union of Impulse pilots.
If being a professional is to be blind to the facts and to always deride fellow aviators then a lot of posters here are at the top of the tree.
The reality of the situation was that no support was offered to impulse guys and girls from the start. The high and mighty real aviatiors sat back and waited for the operation to fizzle out. It obviously didnt.
So when things dont go your way, what do you do. Bag everyone of course. After all thats what constitutes being a professional pilot.
Having worked in large operations both in Aus and abroad. I can tell you that the pulse is a good thing and a great place to work.
To have a united pilot group, that has the groups interests in focus, not just individual big heads that cant see past their own noses, is a real treat.
Funny how after all the bagging and the abuse now they want to play? Figure that one out.
DM
If being a professional is to be blind to the facts and to always deride fellow aviators then a lot of posters here are at the top of the tree.
The reality of the situation was that no support was offered to impulse guys and girls from the start. The high and mighty real aviatiors sat back and waited for the operation to fizzle out. It obviously didnt.
So when things dont go your way, what do you do. Bag everyone of course. After all thats what constitutes being a professional pilot.
Having worked in large operations both in Aus and abroad. I can tell you that the pulse is a good thing and a great place to work.
To have a united pilot group, that has the groups interests in focus, not just individual big heads that cant see past their own noses, is a real treat.
Funny how after all the bagging and the abuse now they want to play? Figure that one out.
DM
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Forget about Jetconnect and Jetstar, how long has Airlink been in operation and they are not even Qantas employees. AIPA have allowed contractors to operate Qantas services for a long long time. Regardless of the Qantas Management AIPA need to come out with a mission statement along the lines that they would like to represent all pilots employed by Qantas or their subsidiaries and that they support and recognise the right of all Qantas pilots to move within the group to positions that their seniority dictates.