What the....Jetstar from AVV????
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It appears to be an extremely educated move by the executive farmer Dixon. The eastern suburbs of melbourne have expanded a good 60 minutes from the CBD. And all the growth over the next decade is going to be down the western region. Those that are interested just ask the town planners where the are preparing for growth. The Geelong road wasn't upgraded for geelong resident only!!!
Although I think this is an economically good move by all the major players, the government would be offering some very good incentives for the region to be opened up with new employment opportunities, WHATS TO BECOME OF THE AVALON AIRSHOW?
It would not be possible to conduct an airshow and handle 50 to 60 flights a day. The commutter service that operated from geelong to Avalon during the last airshow created many disruptions not to mention the near miss involving marshallers and a pilot who had a schedule to keep.
Although I think this is an economically good move by all the major players, the government would be offering some very good incentives for the region to be opened up with new employment opportunities, WHATS TO BECOME OF THE AVALON AIRSHOW?
It would not be possible to conduct an airshow and handle 50 to 60 flights a day. The commutter service that operated from geelong to Avalon during the last airshow created many disruptions not to mention the near miss involving marshallers and a pilot who had a schedule to keep.
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Contrary to recent media reports, Avalon will not offer free car parking.
Parking at the airport will cost $7 a day.
Skybus will also operate to Avalon from both Geelong and Melbourne.
A Skybus fare from Melbourne to Avalon will cost $13 – the same as to Tullamarine.
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Contrary to recent media reports, Avalon will not offer free car parking.
Parking at the airport will cost $7 a day.
Skybus will also operate to Avalon from both Geelong and Melbourne.
A Skybus fare from Melbourne to Avalon will cost $13 – the same as to Tullamarine.
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Jetstar are looking at Richmond Airport in Sydney as well!
Melbourne's western suburbs to Sydney's western suburbs. Interesting concept.
10% of Australia's population lives in Western Sydney.
Melbourne's western suburbs to Sydney's western suburbs. Interesting concept.
10% of Australia's population lives in Western Sydney.
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Thong Class and Westies
This bloke was walking through Mt. Druitt (western Sydney) the other day, when he spots a kid wearing only one thong.
He asks the kid "Hey, did you lose a thong?"
Kid replies "Naaah, f*cking found one!"
Apologies to Vince Sorrenti
He asks the kid "Hey, did you lose a thong?"
Kid replies "Naaah, f*cking found one!"
Apologies to Vince Sorrenti
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Remember when Hazelton tried the Avalon to Sydney service way back in '95
Didnt work back then mainly because of a lack of frequency (was only 2 flight's a day) and the corp traffic weren't real keen to spend 2+ hrs in the back of a SAAB when they were used to sitting on the burners
There is a huge pax market in Geelong and the western districts of victoria - it will be a winner with high frequency and a jet service!
Good one!
Didnt work back then mainly because of a lack of frequency (was only 2 flight's a day) and the corp traffic weren't real keen to spend 2+ hrs in the back of a SAAB when they were used to sitting on the burners
There is a huge pax market in Geelong and the western districts of victoria - it will be a winner with high frequency and a jet service!
Good one!
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Really? Better warn Dubai (and their 900-odd per day).
I had to say, when I first read they were going to use Avalon, I thought "bad move". After the intial fare madness ends, are people really going to travel to save $20 on the airfare (possibly spending more money- cabs/buses/petrol/tolls)? In my experience, most VFRs get dropped off by friends/family, but will that be the case at AV? Maybe J* will run a bus from the city themselves? You cannot get away from the fact that the majority of air travellers will come from the east. And it's not like Tulla is a throbbing commuter nightnare yet.
Having said all that, there are still large numbers of potential travellers within striking distance. It seems (as already mentioned) that the LCC experience so far is that people will travel to get the fares. There is nowhere out east that could be used without significant expenditure (although that is possible in the future- might be something Fox/Becton/Serco/Transurban are looking at- build it and they will come).
Will be interesting.
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AV is a Serco facility. Might be the first Serco tower in oz. I hope Ted and co. are watching!
It would not be possible to conduct an airshow and handle 50 to 60 flights a day
I had to say, when I first read they were going to use Avalon, I thought "bad move". After the intial fare madness ends, are people really going to travel to save $20 on the airfare (possibly spending more money- cabs/buses/petrol/tolls)? In my experience, most VFRs get dropped off by friends/family, but will that be the case at AV? Maybe J* will run a bus from the city themselves? You cannot get away from the fact that the majority of air travellers will come from the east. And it's not like Tulla is a throbbing commuter nightnare yet.
Having said all that, there are still large numbers of potential travellers within striking distance. It seems (as already mentioned) that the LCC experience so far is that people will travel to get the fares. There is nowhere out east that could be used without significant expenditure (although that is possible in the future- might be something Fox/Becton/Serco/Transurban are looking at- build it and they will come).
Will be interesting.
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AV is a Serco facility. Might be the first Serco tower in oz. I hope Ted and co. are watching!
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I appreciate your point, but Dubai, I expect, would have more than just 1 runway to operate from.
Other considerations would be Terminal facilities are pretty well non-existant. There will need to be some major upgrades done to Avalon, and I can't see Fox putting his hand in his pocket. I think this is where the Gov. will show their hand and contribute considerable amounts of our money to make Qantas share holders and Fox richer.
The Gov. will show their appreciation of the move to decentralisation of the Melbourne urban squarl away from the East. Looks like a good time to invest in property in the west, or maybe those that were in the know have already done just that.
I appreciate your point, but Dubai, I expect, would have more than just 1 runway to operate from.
Other considerations would be Terminal facilities are pretty well non-existant. There will need to be some major upgrades done to Avalon, and I can't see Fox putting his hand in his pocket. I think this is where the Gov. will show their hand and contribute considerable amounts of our money to make Qantas share holders and Fox richer.
The Gov. will show their appreciation of the move to decentralisation of the Melbourne urban squarl away from the East. Looks like a good time to invest in property in the west, or maybe those that were in the know have already done just that.
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Anyone know if the Tower coverage will be increased to accomodate the higher movements?
Or will this be the worlds first uncontrolled Jet hub.
Be interesting if NAS2c ever gets a run!!!!
Or will this be the worlds first uncontrolled Jet hub.
Be interesting if NAS2c ever gets a run!!!!
Orville
The lack of terminal facilities didn't seem to hurt DJ in their early (and then not so early!) days of operation. I remember dropping mates off & seeing people lined up in the rain outside the tin shed there in Sydney. Not to forget the tent circus that was set up as their terminal in newcastle. I believe Adelaide travellers were also treated to a 'basic' style of terminal building. But look at the end result - it didn't seem to mater as long as the fares were cheap...
I'm guessing that in 12 months time much the same will be true for J* as well. It will be interesting to see how long DJ can match the J* low fares & still maintain/make a profit (especially with the new disclosure rules that they must meet as a publicly owned company). Especially in light of the rumours as to just how close they came to the wall last time there was a real air-fare war...
The lack of terminal facilities didn't seem to hurt DJ in their early (and then not so early!) days of operation. I remember dropping mates off & seeing people lined up in the rain outside the tin shed there in Sydney. Not to forget the tent circus that was set up as their terminal in newcastle. I believe Adelaide travellers were also treated to a 'basic' style of terminal building. But look at the end result - it didn't seem to mater as long as the fares were cheap...
I'm guessing that in 12 months time much the same will be true for J* as well. It will be interesting to see how long DJ can match the J* low fares & still maintain/make a profit (especially with the new disclosure rules that they must meet as a publicly owned company). Especially in light of the rumours as to just how close they came to the wall last time there was a real air-fare war...
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No, one runway for arrivals, one for departures. Does it matter how many runways, if the airshow is overhead the airport?
Uncontrolled? Watch the game boys.
No, one runway for arrivals, one for departures. Does it matter how many runways, if the airshow is overhead the airport?
Uncontrolled? Watch the game boys.
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Looks like someone forgot to tell the union . . .
Union threatens Jetstar launch
February 26, 2004
A KEY aviation union has threatened to ground Australia's newest budget airline over its use of Victoria's Avalon Airport.
The Transport Workers Union said the union's agreement with Jetstar did not involve running the service out of Avalon, 55km west of Melbourne.
"We cut the deal on the basis that Jetstar was going to be serviced out of Melbourne Airport," TWU federal secretary John Allan said.
"That's what they accepted and with that equation being changed, it's just put the whole deal in jeopardy."
Mr Allen said he was due to meet management at Jetstar's parent company Qantas today in an attempt to rescue the deal.
"If they haven't got an agreement with the TWU, it's going to be very difficult to service Jetstar and to keep some sort of cooperation between the TWU and Qantas throughout Australia," he said.
The Australian
26 February 2004
February 26, 2004
A KEY aviation union has threatened to ground Australia's newest budget airline over its use of Victoria's Avalon Airport.
The Transport Workers Union said the union's agreement with Jetstar did not involve running the service out of Avalon, 55km west of Melbourne.
"We cut the deal on the basis that Jetstar was going to be serviced out of Melbourne Airport," TWU federal secretary John Allan said.
"That's what they accepted and with that equation being changed, it's just put the whole deal in jeopardy."
Mr Allen said he was due to meet management at Jetstar's parent company Qantas today in an attempt to rescue the deal.
"If they haven't got an agreement with the TWU, it's going to be very difficult to service Jetstar and to keep some sort of cooperation between the TWU and Qantas throughout Australia," he said.
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The Transport Workers Union said the union's agreement with Jetstar did not involve running the service out of Avalon, 55km west of Melbourne.
"We cut the deal on the basis that Jetstar was going to be serviced out of Melbourne Airport,"
"We cut the deal on the basis that Jetstar was going to be serviced out of Melbourne Airport,"
They wern't consulted on the Avalon one because I'd say they won't be having anything to do with it.
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It's also most likely that the union was not told about AV for secrecy reasons.
You could imagine how quickly the cat would have been let out of the bag if that sort of info was disclosed to the wrong people.
The payment from the media for the leak would have probably financed a few union members holidays.......
Well done by those involved in keeping it quiet. I'm sure the TWU people will come around, they may have to.
You could imagine how quickly the cat would have been let out of the bag if that sort of info was disclosed to the wrong people.
The payment from the media for the leak would have probably financed a few union members holidays.......
Well done by those involved in keeping it quiet. I'm sure the TWU people will come around, they may have to.
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Has anyone considere that lower Airport/Terminal charges at YMAV v YMML may be a significant component in cost reductions - just reflect on Ryan Air's use of "satellite" fields in Europe. I for one am all in favour of the monopolistic airport companies being given the message aboutb their "rape and pillage" approcah to airport charges where they have a monopoly. Similarly in NZ I certainly hiope the NZWP is developed as a Tasman/regional airport to break the ANZZ stranglehold and significant impact on operatings costs on this side of the Tasman.
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I reckon the proposals to use of Avalon and Richmond are not much more than kite flying exercises and a not so subtle message to the onwers of Melbourne and Sydney Airports to be not so greedy with their user charges. Canberra soon killed off the idea of Richmond and the punters via market research etc will see Avalon go the same way. What's the betting that Avalaon will quietly be forgotten?
