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Last Update: Thursday, November 13, 2003. 12:21pm (AEDT)
Average wage growth slows
The average weekly wage in Australia has risen to $929.60 a week.
Seasonally adjusted figures released by the Bureau of Statistics show full-time adults' ordinary time earnings were up just 0.6 per cent in the three months to August.
There was a 2.5 per cent surge in the previous quarter.
The Wage Cost Index issued on Wednesday showed a 1 per cent rise in salaries.
$929.60 x 52 = $48339.20
So Douglas how many hookers have you come across?
Last Update: Thursday, November 13, 2003. 12:21pm (AEDT)
Average wage growth slows
The average weekly wage in Australia has risen to $929.60 a week.
Seasonally adjusted figures released by the Bureau of Statistics show full-time adults' ordinary time earnings were up just 0.6 per cent in the three months to August.
There was a 2.5 per cent surge in the previous quarter.
The Wage Cost Index issued on Wednesday showed a 1 per cent rise in salaries.
$929.60 x 52 = $48339.20
So Douglas how many hookers have you come across?
Yes indeed. In the real world I reckon most people on the bell curve earn between $28,000 and $38,000. That conclusion is reached by talking to a cross section of friends and acquaintances.
The post above was actually from the ABC News website...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s988228.htm
More info here...
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/r...-04/04rn09.pdf
contradicted here...
http://new.theage.com.au/articles/20...704981571.html
and more confusing data here...
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs%4...256bbe008371f0!OpenDocument#Income
At the end of the day a few very well paid people skew the data...but are they happy?
The post above was actually from the ABC News website...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s988228.htm
More info here...
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/r...-04/04rn09.pdf
contradicted here...
http://new.theage.com.au/articles/20...704981571.html
and more confusing data here...
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs%4...256bbe008371f0!OpenDocument#Income
At the end of the day a few very well paid people skew the data...but are they happy?
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150k+ for VB pilots ??, actually ( from the EBA on wagenet ) it's a shade over 130k ( unless you do what most do and times the tax free allowances by 2 ).
If the IMP base is 120k and O/T is 30-40k, that would be around 200hours at $200, sounds suss.
Whatever it is, it's sure to be another nail in the coffin of pilots wages and conditions in Oz, and for the GA pilots thinking " who cares, more jet jobs " don't worry, it will filter all the way down.
If the IMP base is 120k and O/T is 30-40k, that would be around 200hours at $200, sounds suss.
Whatever it is, it's sure to be another nail in the coffin of pilots wages and conditions in Oz, and for the GA pilots thinking " who cares, more jet jobs " don't worry, it will filter all the way down.
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If it only takes a 3 month endorsement to train the GA guy into a jet guy, and no more skills than that, then what really is the difference?
Better still, when I can take an 18 year old out of school and 12 months later make him /her a Qantas pilot, then what special skills are being used?
Lawyers and Doctors spend at least 5+ years at uni to earn a measly $35k when they start work, yet we airline pilots seem to think that 15months after leaving school or training we are worth $80k PLUS, with no minimum CASA educational standard and only minimum pass marks.
The sooner than pilots accept that the only way to better wages is to accept a skill / experience based pay system, the better off we would be.
Better still, when I can take an 18 year old out of school and 12 months later make him /her a Qantas pilot, then what special skills are being used?
Lawyers and Doctors spend at least 5+ years at uni to earn a measly $35k when they start work, yet we airline pilots seem to think that 15months after leaving school or training we are worth $80k PLUS, with no minimum CASA educational standard and only minimum pass marks.
The sooner than pilots accept that the only way to better wages is to accept a skill / experience based pay system, the better off we would be.
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Here here, 
Well said ITCZ ! (sorry, his post seems to have gone)
Le Pilot :"We also had a few discussions with the AFAP but to align with them was to give us no say within the QF group." ...certainly, to align yourselves with your cousin Regionals and gain strength in numbers was out of the question!
... the fact that most didn't pass the QF Entry Level Testing or failed the Sim rides has nothing to do with it either .
BCD:"The question I'm keen to ask is why did Impulse offer to fly these aircraft for lower rates ($120,000 I believe) compared with Virgin Blue who pay their Captains $150,000+ !!!
BCD that is confirmed. $120,000 for the Nopulse Capts and $110,000 for the Direct Entry Capts they admit are req'd due to inexperience levels... oh and the direct entrys' go to the bottom of the list after their 2 year "help out", to let the NoPulse Commands happen. But wait, there's more...
Cunninglinguist :"...be another nail in the coffin of pilots wages and conditions in Oz"
You're damn right there, sunshine! This has made me
ck'n sick to the stomack. Selling themselves, their colleagues and the future of the Industry out, on flying a bigger type. your mates then (those you have left), for lowering the benchmark so much.
Well said ITCZ ! (sorry, his post seems to have gone)Le Pilot :"We also had a few discussions with the AFAP but to align with them was to give us no say within the QF group." ...certainly, to align yourselves with your cousin Regionals and gain strength in numbers was out of the question!
... the fact that most didn't pass the QF Entry Level Testing or failed the Sim rides has nothing to do with it either .BCD:"The question I'm keen to ask is why did Impulse offer to fly these aircraft for lower rates ($120,000 I believe) compared with Virgin Blue who pay their Captains $150,000+ !!!
BCD that is confirmed. $120,000 for the Nopulse Capts and $110,000 for the Direct Entry Capts they admit are req'd due to inexperience levels... oh and the direct entrys' go to the bottom of the list after their 2 year "help out", to let the NoPulse Commands happen. But wait, there's more...
Cunninglinguist :"...be another nail in the coffin of pilots wages and conditions in Oz"
You're damn right there, sunshine! This has made me
ck'n sick to the stomack. Selling themselves, their colleagues and the future of the Industry out, on flying a bigger type. your mates then (those you have left), for lowering the benchmark so much.
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"Selling themselves, their colleagues and the future of the Industry out, on flying a bigger type."
Chocks, what would you have done given their situation?
"Bigger type" What crap, most guys at the pulse would much prefer to fly the 717. Fantastic aircraft to fly and the technology leaves the 320 for dead!!
Chocks, what would you have done given their situation?
"Bigger type" What crap, most guys at the pulse would much prefer to fly the 717. Fantastic aircraft to fly and the technology leaves the 320 for dead!!
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LGR: "Negotiate" , seems to be word that comes to mind, with all interested parties at hand, working together to utilize a maximum outcome FOR ALL aviators both for now and the future. A cheaper carpet has just been hastily "laid".
Bitter and upset MD, or miss out out in the past? No on both accounts. I just feel sorry for the aspiring aviators out there, when they have the likes of these at the top of the tree, determining and needlessly further erroding conditions.
It was mentioned in an earlier post/thread... "are they not experienced enough to know their true worth?
Anyway, Keep the blue up.
Bitter and upset MD, or miss out out in the past? No on both accounts. I just feel sorry for the aspiring aviators out there, when they have the likes of these at the top of the tree, determining and needlessly further erroding conditions.
It was mentioned in an earlier post/thread... "are they not experienced enough to know their true worth?
Anyway, Keep the blue up.
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I reckon that pilots will have zero input into what QFs LCC is going to pay. It will be just likeQF or Australian back then, and AN post 89. They offered contracts, and if you wanted one you signed. No negotiation, no input, just sign or don't bother. Plenty signed and there was no shortage just as there will be no shortage for this LCC. Plenty of ex AN A320 pilots walking the streets, or workin OS and wanting to come home at whatever price.
Negotiate is a nice thought, but that's all it is.
Call this negative if you want, but how can pilots have any input? Thee is a job offer at a price, and you won't convince piolots to boycott because there isnt enough money in it. Human nature will take care o f the situation once again. You want to eat? OK, sign here.
Negotiate is a nice thought, but that's all it is.
Call this negative if you want, but how can pilots have any input? Thee is a job offer at a price, and you won't convince piolots to boycott because there isnt enough money in it. Human nature will take care o f the situation once again. You want to eat? OK, sign here.
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"717 leaves A320 for dead"
717 is the first and only jet you have flown, correct?
With that attitude, you will struggle to comprehend what the most advanced technology available. A little apprehensive, perhaps?
Is "McB" earmarked as Chief Pilot? Nice to see him get his A320 endorsement at last!!
"717 leaves A320 for dead"
717 is the first and only jet you have flown, correct?
With that attitude, you will struggle to comprehend what the most advanced technology available. A little apprehensive, perhaps?
Is "McB" earmarked as Chief Pilot? Nice to see him get his A320 endorsement at last!!
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Yes the 717 is the first and only jet I have flown.There are a lot of guy's in the Pulse who have wide ranging experience from the 146 to 747 400 and everything else in between.Every one of them states that the 717 is the most technologically advanced aircraft they have flown.You obviously have no idea about this aircraft.
Just have a look at airliners.net to see the difference in the flightdeck layout.
As far as McB goes, he will probably end up being the number three or four banana in Australia's second or third major airline which is more than most of us pilot's can say.
And if you can comprehend the technology of the 717 I'm sure you can work out the A320.
Yes the 717 is the first and only jet I have flown.There are a lot of guy's in the Pulse who have wide ranging experience from the 146 to 747 400 and everything else in between.Every one of them states that the 717 is the most technologically advanced aircraft they have flown.You obviously have no idea about this aircraft.
Just have a look at airliners.net to see the difference in the flightdeck layout.
As far as McB goes, he will probably end up being the number three or four banana in Australia's second or third major airline which is more than most of us pilot's can say.
And if you can comprehend the technology of the 717 I'm sure you can work out the A320.