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Proplever,
What legal basis would your industrial action be based on?
Woftam,
“How can ANYONE be happy that we now have third world (or worse) wages to fly jets in our country?”
Do you actually know what the pay and conditions are like at Myanmar Airways? Do you know anyone flying for Bouraq or Jatayu? Do you honestly think Impulse wages are third world? Or should you retract your ignorant statement?
The debate here on pprune just proves the totally insular nature still pervading the Oz airline scene.
Try living in London on a JMC wage or New York City on a Jetblue wage or Atlanta on an Airtran wage. Melbourne with Jetstar – not too bad.
What legal basis would your industrial action be based on?
Woftam,
“How can ANYONE be happy that we now have third world (or worse) wages to fly jets in our country?”
Do you actually know what the pay and conditions are like at Myanmar Airways? Do you know anyone flying for Bouraq or Jatayu? Do you honestly think Impulse wages are third world? Or should you retract your ignorant statement?
The debate here on pprune just proves the totally insular nature still pervading the Oz airline scene.
Try living in London on a JMC wage or New York City on a Jetblue wage or Atlanta on an Airtran wage. Melbourne with Jetstar – not too bad.
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www.jetstarairlines.com/sports_logo.jpg
Err....this is a tad interesting!!!!
http://www.jetstarairlines.com/
About Jetstar International
Jetstar International Airways promises it's pilots the latest aircraft, widest variety of worldwide flight destinations, and latest pilot aids to navigation. We also provide a host of informative background information connecting our pilots with the people, countries and cultures in the JetStar world.
Flying from 4 US Hubs and 5 International Hubs, JetStar provides flight opportunities throughout the world. With it's modern aircraft fleet, including recently modified CONCORDE's, the airline provides an environment of challenge and adventure for it's pilot base.
Jetstar's U.S. Hubs
Dallas/Ft. Worth - Providing service through America's "Heartland" with worldwide connections and over 100 daily flight operations!
Hartsfield/Atlanta - Serving America's Southeast featuring connections to the Caribbean and Latin America with over 90 daily flight operations!
J F Kennedy/New York - Serving the Northeast and Europe with CONCORDE connections and over 120 daily flight operations!
San Francisco International - JetStar's "gateway to the Pacific" serves America's west coast, Hawaii and the Orient with over 85 daily flight operations!
Jetstar's International Hubs
Pearson Int'l./Toronto, Canada - JetStar's Toronto Hub covers Canada from coast to coast and features a special Northway service in Canada.
Heathrow/London, UK - JetStar's European Hub serving the European continent with over 100 daily flights, CONCORDE connections and special service in the Mediterranean from Mallorca!
Kenyatta Int'l./Nairobi, Kenya - JetStar covers the African Continent with connections to Europe and the Middle East and over 70 daily flight operations!
Changi Int'l./Singapore - JetStar's Asia Hub, located at the "crossroads of Asia" with CONCORDE connections serves Asia and Oceana with over 140 daily flight operations!
Err....this is a tad interesting!!!!
http://www.jetstarairlines.com/
About Jetstar International
Jetstar International Airways promises it's pilots the latest aircraft, widest variety of worldwide flight destinations, and latest pilot aids to navigation. We also provide a host of informative background information connecting our pilots with the people, countries and cultures in the JetStar world.
Flying from 4 US Hubs and 5 International Hubs, JetStar provides flight opportunities throughout the world. With it's modern aircraft fleet, including recently modified CONCORDE's, the airline provides an environment of challenge and adventure for it's pilot base.
Jetstar's U.S. Hubs
Dallas/Ft. Worth - Providing service through America's "Heartland" with worldwide connections and over 100 daily flight operations!
Hartsfield/Atlanta - Serving America's Southeast featuring connections to the Caribbean and Latin America with over 90 daily flight operations!
J F Kennedy/New York - Serving the Northeast and Europe with CONCORDE connections and over 120 daily flight operations!
San Francisco International - JetStar's "gateway to the Pacific" serves America's west coast, Hawaii and the Orient with over 85 daily flight operations!
Jetstar's International Hubs
Pearson Int'l./Toronto, Canada - JetStar's Toronto Hub covers Canada from coast to coast and features a special Northway service in Canada.
Heathrow/London, UK - JetStar's European Hub serving the European continent with over 100 daily flights, CONCORDE connections and special service in the Mediterranean from Mallorca!
Kenyatta Int'l./Nairobi, Kenya - JetStar covers the African Continent with connections to Europe and the Middle East and over 70 daily flight operations!
Changi Int'l./Singapore - JetStar's Asia Hub, located at the "crossroads of Asia" with CONCORDE connections serves Asia and Oceana with over 140 daily flight operations!
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Tues "Melbourne Age"
Jetstar readies for low-cost air battle
By Philip Hopkins
December 2, 2003
Qantas will spend close to $1.6 billion on new aircraft for its low-cost domestic airline Jetstar, with the battle to take on Virgin Blue set to begin in May.
Jetstar will emerge from Impulse Airlines - acquired by Qantas in 2001 - at first using its fleet of Boeing 717s before taking delivery in June of the first of 23 new Airbus A320s.
About half of Jetstar's 2000 new employees will be based in Victoria, some working out of the former Ansett terminal at Melbourne Airport.
The airline is expected to undercut some Virgin Blue fares and aims to keep costs low by providing cheap internet deals and not offering free in-flight meals or assigned seating.
It will fly routes to holiday centres around Australia, but will rely on a largely generic image to attract customers.
Revealing the livery and branding for Jetstar yesterday, Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said focus groups had rejected terms such as "Joey or Skippy" Air. "We had literally thousands of suggestions, many from our staff and from every amateur marketing manager around Australia," he said.
"(They were) mainly confined to Australian animals and Oz Air and Air Oz and Jet Oz and Go Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi (and) Matilda. Research did say, which surprised us a little bit, that the Oz Matilda type thing was not necessarily what Australians want at this stage."
He said the A320 family was used by two of the world's most successful low-cost carriers, Jetblue and easyJet, and it had an outstanding track record.
Dismissing fears Jetstar would cannibalise Qantas's full-service operations, Mr Dixon said the domestic leisure market would grow by 15 to 20 per cent as a result. "The domestic leisure market is growing rapidly and now represents over 60 per cent of all passengers," he said.
"Jetstar will concentrate on growing this market with value fares while opening up new destinations."
He said Qantas was expected to post its best-ever domestic profit this financial year, while Jetstar would make a small loss in its first year, but would be profitable "as we go forward".
"Our international operations are also improving very strongly," he said. "We have got a good handle on our costs and we are still driving them down."
Jetstar's general manager Alan Joyce said the airline aimed to generate 70 per cent of bookings over the internet, while its fare and route structure would be announced in January.
The brand design was based on the Southern Cross and the airline's colours - orange, silver and black- were chosen for their "bold, modern feel".with AAP
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Tues "The Australian"
Cheap air triggers union fear
By Steve Creedy and Stefanie Balogh
December 02, 2003
Travellers will reap a bonanza of cheaper seats next year as Qantas's new low-cost airline hits the skies, but unions fear it may be on the back of reduced conditions and wages for the airline's workers.
The fares will be lower, but the new airline is expected to have slightly reduced leg room and no seating allocation.
It will operate its own reservation system and is expected to sell at least 70 per cent of its fares on the internet. Check-in and baggage handling will be simplified - there will be no priority or connecting baggage - and, as on its competitor, Virgin Blue, passengers will have to buy their food.
Fares and route structures will not be revealed until early next year, but executives vowed yesterday to undercut Virgin Blue's costs and fares.
The airline yesterday confirmed it had placed an initial order for 23 Airbus A320 aircraft worth about $US1.15billion ($1.58 billion) to equip the new airline, which will be known as JetStar.
It will spend about $100 million setting up the new carrier, which it expects to run at a small loss in the first year.
But as they arranged to hold detailed talks with unions about pay and conditions, executives warned workers would need to accept similar packages to other low-cost carriers. The new airline will launch with a combination of Boeing 717 aircraft and 177-seat A320s, using former low-cost carrier Impulse Airlines as a vehicle. About 600 Impulse workers transferring to the new airline will be the only employees to come from Qantas.
Executives suggested yesterday that the Impulse cost structure would be used as a basis for negotiating wages and conditions at JetStar. "When we took over Impulse two years ago, we kept their cost structure in Qantas," chief executive Geoff Dixon said. "People have always worked under that cost structure and we've kept the airline there for a rainy day." ACTU senior industrial officer Richard Watts said unions would be willing to negotiate "in similar terms" as they had for the Australian Airlines agreements. "Where the work is the same they would expect the same remuneration, and where it is different they are open to discuss those issues with Qantas," Mr Watts said.
JetStar will compete head-to-head with the mainline carrier on some routes, including major trunk routes. It would also start flying on routes never operated by an Australian airline, new chief executive Alan Joyce said.
Yesterday's indications of a wide network that included trunk routes was also seen as good news for travellers.
"If you're going to be growing the market by 20 per cent you've got to be putting a lot more cheap fares out in the marketplace," said Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation managing-director Peter Harbison.
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Tues "The Australian"
Qantas meets Virgin head on
By Geoff Easdown
December 02, 2003
QANTAS pledged yesterday that its new discount airline, Jetstar, would be the lead discounter in any domestic fares war.
Melbourne-based Jetstar, which begins operations next May, would be "more low-cost than Virgin", said Qantas boss Geoff Dixon.
At a media conference, he declared "if we are going to be cannibalised, we might as well cannibalise ourselves".
Mr Dixon told reporters that:
A TOTAL of $US1.15 Billion ($A1.59 billion) would be spent on 23 Airbus planes;
STAFF numbering 2000 would be employed nationwide, 1000 in Melbourne and 600 would transfer from the Qantas Impulse brand;
JETSTAR planes would be seen on most inner-city services. The full route network and fare structure would be revealed next month.
Mr Dixon said existing Qantas jobs would not suffer, nor would staff be transferred to Jetstar which would have a lower pay scale than Qantas.
He did confirm that Qantas frequent flyers would be able to "burn" their points with the new airline. But any decision about Jetstar awarding travel points through the Qantas rewards program has yet to be decided.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had also responded to complaints from business travellers and would scrap the all-economy experiment it introduced on some routes two years ago.
He said five new Boeing 737-800 aircraft would be introduced as two class aircraft and would replace older 737-300 planes.
Jetstar will be modelled on the successful overseas budget carriers, Ryanair, Easyjet and Jetblue.
Passengers will not get allocated seating or enjoy priority baggage services. Like overseas carriers, passengers will choose their own seats on a first-come, best-seat arrangement.
Qantas will commit an extra $100 million to Jetstar, on top of the $1.5 billion bill for new planes, to cover start-up costs.
Mr Dixon said Qantas debt-to-equity gearing would rise by 1.5 percentage points to a healthy ratio of 50 per cent.
Former Aer Lingus and Ansett executive Alan Joyce, 37, will run Jetstar with an executive team that includes former Ryanair staff. The Qantas gamble comes as Virgin Blue seeks to raise about $550 million in an initial share sale to help fund its expansion.
Its scrip will make its debut on the Australian Stock Exchange next Monday.
Mr Dixon said the domestic leisure market represented more than 60 per cent of all passengers.
After his initial quip, Mr Dixon said later: "We are confident this won't cannibalise our business in any meaningful way.
The first Airbus A320 will be delivered in June next year and Jetset will progressively move from its launch fleet of Impulse-sourced fleet of 17 Boeing 717 jets.
Qantas shares rose 1c to $3.34 after falling 3c after the Jetstar announcement.
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Jetstar readies for low-cost air battle
By Philip Hopkins
December 2, 2003
Qantas will spend close to $1.6 billion on new aircraft for its low-cost domestic airline Jetstar, with the battle to take on Virgin Blue set to begin in May.
Jetstar will emerge from Impulse Airlines - acquired by Qantas in 2001 - at first using its fleet of Boeing 717s before taking delivery in June of the first of 23 new Airbus A320s.
About half of Jetstar's 2000 new employees will be based in Victoria, some working out of the former Ansett terminal at Melbourne Airport.
The airline is expected to undercut some Virgin Blue fares and aims to keep costs low by providing cheap internet deals and not offering free in-flight meals or assigned seating.
It will fly routes to holiday centres around Australia, but will rely on a largely generic image to attract customers.
Revealing the livery and branding for Jetstar yesterday, Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said focus groups had rejected terms such as "Joey or Skippy" Air. "We had literally thousands of suggestions, many from our staff and from every amateur marketing manager around Australia," he said.
"(They were) mainly confined to Australian animals and Oz Air and Air Oz and Jet Oz and Go Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi (and) Matilda. Research did say, which surprised us a little bit, that the Oz Matilda type thing was not necessarily what Australians want at this stage."
He said the A320 family was used by two of the world's most successful low-cost carriers, Jetblue and easyJet, and it had an outstanding track record.
Dismissing fears Jetstar would cannibalise Qantas's full-service operations, Mr Dixon said the domestic leisure market would grow by 15 to 20 per cent as a result. "The domestic leisure market is growing rapidly and now represents over 60 per cent of all passengers," he said.
"Jetstar will concentrate on growing this market with value fares while opening up new destinations."
He said Qantas was expected to post its best-ever domestic profit this financial year, while Jetstar would make a small loss in its first year, but would be profitable "as we go forward".
"Our international operations are also improving very strongly," he said. "We have got a good handle on our costs and we are still driving them down."
Jetstar's general manager Alan Joyce said the airline aimed to generate 70 per cent of bookings over the internet, while its fare and route structure would be announced in January.
The brand design was based on the Southern Cross and the airline's colours - orange, silver and black- were chosen for their "bold, modern feel".with AAP
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Tues "The Australian"
Cheap air triggers union fear
By Steve Creedy and Stefanie Balogh
December 02, 2003
Travellers will reap a bonanza of cheaper seats next year as Qantas's new low-cost airline hits the skies, but unions fear it may be on the back of reduced conditions and wages for the airline's workers.
The fares will be lower, but the new airline is expected to have slightly reduced leg room and no seating allocation.
It will operate its own reservation system and is expected to sell at least 70 per cent of its fares on the internet. Check-in and baggage handling will be simplified - there will be no priority or connecting baggage - and, as on its competitor, Virgin Blue, passengers will have to buy their food.
Fares and route structures will not be revealed until early next year, but executives vowed yesterday to undercut Virgin Blue's costs and fares.
The airline yesterday confirmed it had placed an initial order for 23 Airbus A320 aircraft worth about $US1.15billion ($1.58 billion) to equip the new airline, which will be known as JetStar.
It will spend about $100 million setting up the new carrier, which it expects to run at a small loss in the first year.
But as they arranged to hold detailed talks with unions about pay and conditions, executives warned workers would need to accept similar packages to other low-cost carriers. The new airline will launch with a combination of Boeing 717 aircraft and 177-seat A320s, using former low-cost carrier Impulse Airlines as a vehicle. About 600 Impulse workers transferring to the new airline will be the only employees to come from Qantas.
Executives suggested yesterday that the Impulse cost structure would be used as a basis for negotiating wages and conditions at JetStar. "When we took over Impulse two years ago, we kept their cost structure in Qantas," chief executive Geoff Dixon said. "People have always worked under that cost structure and we've kept the airline there for a rainy day." ACTU senior industrial officer Richard Watts said unions would be willing to negotiate "in similar terms" as they had for the Australian Airlines agreements. "Where the work is the same they would expect the same remuneration, and where it is different they are open to discuss those issues with Qantas," Mr Watts said.
JetStar will compete head-to-head with the mainline carrier on some routes, including major trunk routes. It would also start flying on routes never operated by an Australian airline, new chief executive Alan Joyce said.
Yesterday's indications of a wide network that included trunk routes was also seen as good news for travellers.
"If you're going to be growing the market by 20 per cent you've got to be putting a lot more cheap fares out in the marketplace," said Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation managing-director Peter Harbison.
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Tues "The Australian"
Qantas meets Virgin head on
By Geoff Easdown
December 02, 2003
QANTAS pledged yesterday that its new discount airline, Jetstar, would be the lead discounter in any domestic fares war.
Melbourne-based Jetstar, which begins operations next May, would be "more low-cost than Virgin", said Qantas boss Geoff Dixon.
At a media conference, he declared "if we are going to be cannibalised, we might as well cannibalise ourselves".
Mr Dixon told reporters that:
A TOTAL of $US1.15 Billion ($A1.59 billion) would be spent on 23 Airbus planes;
STAFF numbering 2000 would be employed nationwide, 1000 in Melbourne and 600 would transfer from the Qantas Impulse brand;
JETSTAR planes would be seen on most inner-city services. The full route network and fare structure would be revealed next month.
Mr Dixon said existing Qantas jobs would not suffer, nor would staff be transferred to Jetstar which would have a lower pay scale than Qantas.
He did confirm that Qantas frequent flyers would be able to "burn" their points with the new airline. But any decision about Jetstar awarding travel points through the Qantas rewards program has yet to be decided.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had also responded to complaints from business travellers and would scrap the all-economy experiment it introduced on some routes two years ago.
He said five new Boeing 737-800 aircraft would be introduced as two class aircraft and would replace older 737-300 planes.
Jetstar will be modelled on the successful overseas budget carriers, Ryanair, Easyjet and Jetblue.
Passengers will not get allocated seating or enjoy priority baggage services. Like overseas carriers, passengers will choose their own seats on a first-come, best-seat arrangement.
Qantas will commit an extra $100 million to Jetstar, on top of the $1.5 billion bill for new planes, to cover start-up costs.
Mr Dixon said Qantas debt-to-equity gearing would rise by 1.5 percentage points to a healthy ratio of 50 per cent.
Former Aer Lingus and Ansett executive Alan Joyce, 37, will run Jetstar with an executive team that includes former Ryanair staff. The Qantas gamble comes as Virgin Blue seeks to raise about $550 million in an initial share sale to help fund its expansion.
Its scrip will make its debut on the Australian Stock Exchange next Monday.
Mr Dixon said the domestic leisure market represented more than 60 per cent of all passengers.
After his initial quip, Mr Dixon said later: "We are confident this won't cannibalise our business in any meaningful way.
The first Airbus A320 will be delivered in June next year and Jetset will progressively move from its launch fleet of Impulse-sourced fleet of 17 Boeing 717 jets.
Qantas shares rose 1c to $3.34 after falling 3c after the Jetstar announcement.
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oicur12,
As you see the wages as more than fair (particularly as you say, living in cheap old Melbourne ) why dont you suggest lower wages, you w@nker !
One thing everyone on the boards CAN agree with is this will be a negative (ultimately) for all Oz pilots, no matter which car park you happen to park in.
As you see the wages as more than fair (particularly as you say, living in cheap old Melbourne ) why dont you suggest lower wages, you w@nker !
One thing everyone on the boards CAN agree with is this will be a negative (ultimately) for all Oz pilots, no matter which car park you happen to park in.
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Tues "Sydney Morning Herald"
JetStar aims to clip Virgin's wings
By Scott Rochfort
December 2, 2003
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon yesterday denied the hurried and expensive start-up of its low-cost carrier JetStar had come from a "position of panic", or was related to Virgin Blue's burgeoning share of the domestic aviation market.
Instead, Mr Dixon boldly claimed the Qantas budget offshoot would be "the lowest cost airline in Australia by some distance" when it commences flights next May and would be profitable in its second year.
With the Melbourne-based airline set to have an initial start-up cost of $100 million and formed out of the shell of the Qantas-owned Impulse Airlines, Qantas also confirmed it had placed an order for 23 177-seat Airbus 320s for the airline, worth $1.6 billion.
All of the A320s are expected to be delivered by mid-2005, with JetStar initially using Qantas's soon-to-be-retired fleet of 14 Boeing 717s.
At JetStar's official naming ceremony yesterday, Mr Dixon said: "JetStar's cost base, when you take in the efficiency of the aircraft, the current Impulse deal, the product innovations they have, will without a doubt be lower than Virgin's."
Tipping JetStar to post a potentially "very, very small loss" in its first year of operation, Mr Dixon said the cost of setting up JetStar would only affect Qantas's overall debt to equity gearing by up to 1.5 per cent, and ruled out any future need for capital raisings.
In contrast to his past comments over the viability of a third airline, Mr Dixon said the domestic market was strong enough to support three profitable airlines, particularly on leisure-holiday based routes.
JetStar chief executive Alan Joyce said: "A large element of this is through growth in the market and we believe that both carriers can grow and survive. We believe that there will be growth for both carriers and our projections going forward for the domestic market are that we can grow in the region of 7 to 10 per cent."
Mr Dixon also scoffed at suggestions the new airline could result in job losses in Qantas mainline business.
While he conceded JetStar would "cannibalise" some of Qantas's existing services, Mr Dixon said the ordering of five new Qantas Boeing 737-800 aircraft proved he wanted to grow its existing domestic operations.
"We have no intention of reducing staff or reducing our services in any way. We believe the market is that strong."
Mr Dixon also gave the most upbeat summary of Qantas operations, since last May's SARS-induced aviation crisis.
"All elements of the Qantas business are travelling very well. They are all profitable and I would say this year our domestic PBT [profit before tax] will be a record . . . and we've got international operations which are also improving very strongly."
Virgin Blue's head of commercial operations David Huttner said predictions JetStar would operate from a lower cost base were questionable.
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JetStar aims to clip Virgin's wings
By Scott Rochfort
December 2, 2003
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon yesterday denied the hurried and expensive start-up of its low-cost carrier JetStar had come from a "position of panic", or was related to Virgin Blue's burgeoning share of the domestic aviation market.
Instead, Mr Dixon boldly claimed the Qantas budget offshoot would be "the lowest cost airline in Australia by some distance" when it commences flights next May and would be profitable in its second year.
With the Melbourne-based airline set to have an initial start-up cost of $100 million and formed out of the shell of the Qantas-owned Impulse Airlines, Qantas also confirmed it had placed an order for 23 177-seat Airbus 320s for the airline, worth $1.6 billion.
All of the A320s are expected to be delivered by mid-2005, with JetStar initially using Qantas's soon-to-be-retired fleet of 14 Boeing 717s.
At JetStar's official naming ceremony yesterday, Mr Dixon said: "JetStar's cost base, when you take in the efficiency of the aircraft, the current Impulse deal, the product innovations they have, will without a doubt be lower than Virgin's."
Tipping JetStar to post a potentially "very, very small loss" in its first year of operation, Mr Dixon said the cost of setting up JetStar would only affect Qantas's overall debt to equity gearing by up to 1.5 per cent, and ruled out any future need for capital raisings.
In contrast to his past comments over the viability of a third airline, Mr Dixon said the domestic market was strong enough to support three profitable airlines, particularly on leisure-holiday based routes.
JetStar chief executive Alan Joyce said: "A large element of this is through growth in the market and we believe that both carriers can grow and survive. We believe that there will be growth for both carriers and our projections going forward for the domestic market are that we can grow in the region of 7 to 10 per cent."
Mr Dixon also scoffed at suggestions the new airline could result in job losses in Qantas mainline business.
While he conceded JetStar would "cannibalise" some of Qantas's existing services, Mr Dixon said the ordering of five new Qantas Boeing 737-800 aircraft proved he wanted to grow its existing domestic operations.
"We have no intention of reducing staff or reducing our services in any way. We believe the market is that strong."
Mr Dixon also gave the most upbeat summary of Qantas operations, since last May's SARS-induced aviation crisis.
"All elements of the Qantas business are travelling very well. They are all profitable and I would say this year our domestic PBT [profit before tax] will be a record . . . and we've got international operations which are also improving very strongly."
Virgin Blue's head of commercial operations David Huttner said predictions JetStar would operate from a lower cost base were questionable.
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Jetstar = Jetblue?
All economy A320s
Slimline leather seats
Entertainment system
If Jetstar uses the Jetblue model then they should do well.
I have used Jetblue twice in the last couple of years and they were quite impressive.
Far superior to anything I have experianced on Northworst Airlines, United or American.
Despite negative comments about lower salaries - Jetstar can only be positive for current Impulse, ex-AN, waiting wannabies and newbies and for the industry overall.
All economy A320s
Slimline leather seats
Entertainment system
If Jetstar uses the Jetblue model then they should do well.
I have used Jetblue twice in the last couple of years and they were quite impressive.
Far superior to anything I have experianced on Northworst Airlines, United or American.
Despite negative comments about lower salaries - Jetstar can only be positive for current Impulse, ex-AN, waiting wannabies and newbies and for the industry overall.
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Australia 2.
Thank you for contributing your intellect to this thread. What a well-constructed argument.
If I thought the wages offered by Jetstar were fair, why on earth would I suggest being paid less?
Throwing insults at someone on pprune, such as you have, is like pissing in a business suit. It may feel good but nobody will notice.
Thank you for contributing your intellect to this thread. What a well-constructed argument.
If I thought the wages offered by Jetstar were fair, why on earth would I suggest being paid less?
Throwing insults at someone on pprune, such as you have, is like pissing in a business suit. It may feel good but nobody will notice.
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Oicur, subtle action may be the order of the day. Plenty of ways to carry that one through. I am an army of one....
We aren't hearing much from the VB guys about this? You blokes nervous? You should be. You thought your wages were the lowest? Well, not any more. You have just been significantly undercut too.
I betcha that whinger Godfrey noticed and is just rubbing his hands together thinking that he can reduce your pay too....
We aren't hearing much from the VB guys about this? You blokes nervous? You should be. You thought your wages were the lowest? Well, not any more. You have just been significantly undercut too.
I betcha that whinger Godfrey noticed and is just rubbing his hands together thinking that he can reduce your pay too....
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Forget about AIPA doing anything at all, they have been huffing and puffing for months and months - in spite of the many posts HERE on PPRuNe alerting QANTAS pilots of Dixon/Oldmeadow`s strategies.
My predictions are :
Expect to see AIPA representing only the 744 (and perhaps A380) pilots within 3-5 years;
Jet Star to be crewed by mainly ex-AN A320 pilots initially, with the "backbone" (and I use that term loosely) consisting of ex-AN Dispute scabs, line pilots coming from the ex-AN F/O ranks. (There was a post wrt an ex-AN A320 scab, now QF F/O being promoted out of seniority some months back, on these pages);
Australian will be grown, to eventually take those pilots (and their flying) out of AIPA.
So much for the pilots.
This is also about QF divesting itself of the millions of accumulated Frequent Flyer points, that are becoming a liability.
If you are a QF FF`er, forget about using those points for domestic travel within a couple of years. I forecast that they will probably be usable on ONLY the longest international sectors, and then, probably in conjunction with an additional $$ payment.
A bloodless coup for Dixon!
My predictions are :
Expect to see AIPA representing only the 744 (and perhaps A380) pilots within 3-5 years;
Jet Star to be crewed by mainly ex-AN A320 pilots initially, with the "backbone" (and I use that term loosely) consisting of ex-AN Dispute scabs, line pilots coming from the ex-AN F/O ranks. (There was a post wrt an ex-AN A320 scab, now QF F/O being promoted out of seniority some months back, on these pages);
Australian will be grown, to eventually take those pilots (and their flying) out of AIPA.
So much for the pilots.
This is also about QF divesting itself of the millions of accumulated Frequent Flyer points, that are becoming a liability.
If you are a QF FF`er, forget about using those points for domestic travel within a couple of years. I forecast that they will probably be usable on ONLY the longest international sectors, and then, probably in conjunction with an additional $$ payment.
A bloodless coup for Dixon!
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Have to agree with you KAp, AIPA is still talking about meetings when the IPG and LCC mgt are finished, concluded and off at the pub.
Isn't it great though that AIPA negotiated 'convergence' with Virgin salaries on the 737 only to have QF further undercut them. Incedentally those same salaries are identical to those paid by Ansett to 737 - 300 Captains in their 1999 EBA! Yes, AIPA are a very 'powerful' union.
Now that the dye has been cast it will be interesting to see how AIPA responds. I suspect they will simply go quiet on the issue and go back to setting up LOL insurance for over 50's.
I hope I am wrong, but so far they have played a monotonously predictable strategy, except for the part where they encouraged pilots to e-mail the chief pilot and the Chairwoman. In doing so they effectively dropped their pants for QF mgt to have a really good look at their support level, 600 I believe out of 2200. That part I did not even think AIPA would be stupid enough to play. I just wish I could play poker with these guys, given that they are mostly 400 captains I could clean up! (psst. what cards have you got mate.....)
Isn't it great though that AIPA negotiated 'convergence' with Virgin salaries on the 737 only to have QF further undercut them. Incedentally those same salaries are identical to those paid by Ansett to 737 - 300 Captains in their 1999 EBA! Yes, AIPA are a very 'powerful' union.
Now that the dye has been cast it will be interesting to see how AIPA responds. I suspect they will simply go quiet on the issue and go back to setting up LOL insurance for over 50's.
I hope I am wrong, but so far they have played a monotonously predictable strategy, except for the part where they encouraged pilots to e-mail the chief pilot and the Chairwoman. In doing so they effectively dropped their pants for QF mgt to have a really good look at their support level, 600 I believe out of 2200. That part I did not even think AIPA would be stupid enough to play. I just wish I could play poker with these guys, given that they are mostly 400 captains I could clean up! (psst. what cards have you got mate.....)
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just a quick note reference the livery ... how very 'GO' or 'ORANGE" ... next thing they'll have their own TV show too !!
Of course, us poor northerners will have to wait for hell to freeze over before anything resembling an airfare competition to all ports from Oz out of here materialises ...
Of course, us poor northerners will have to wait for hell to freeze over before anything resembling an airfare competition to all ports from Oz out of here materialises ...
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Airbus was also believed to have agreed to find buyers for Qantas' aging Boeing 717s as they were retired in years ahead, the analyst said
Also I think the seat pitch will be somewhere in the vicinity of 29" a far cry from the 32-34" on the 717s. The pax will not be pleased! Also there will only be audio entertainment. What's the point of just audio? Especially when they can tap into the Qantas entertainment network and 'borrow' programing.
Also if this is to be totally all one class budget style what will all the corporate pax and top level frequent flyers think? We have MANY on the BNE-MKY, BNE-ROK and Tassie routes. I can see maybe some 734s going to HBA but what about the rest? Is Qantas just going to turn their back on this market? They'd be mad.