Why A320 over 737 for LCC?
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ex-pat A320 drivers busting to get home
Hey Payload777 - the ex-pat A320 drivers won't be busting to get home for the money on offer or the fringe benefits on the side that they'll lose.
Guess they could always keep a little appartment rented in Cabramatta
Guess they could always keep a little appartment rented in Cabramatta
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Airbus will even lend you the $1 to buy the first aircraft....
That will cost you your soul for the rest of your airlines life!
halas
Airbus will even lend you the $1 to buy the first aircraft....
That will cost you your soul for the rest of your airlines life!
halas
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Just a quick question.....
One of the reasons offered for Ansett"s demise was that they operated too many different types of aircraft, causing high maintenance costs
Is this cr
p ? or if not how do Qantas, and most of the US airlines get on when they have heaps of different aircraft?
(and now thinking of A320"s with the lcc).
007
ps didnt Qantas operate some airbuses about 5-6 years ago, and then phase them out to keep an all Boeing fleet?
If it aint Boeing......it aint goin
One of the reasons offered for Ansett"s demise was that they operated too many different types of aircraft, causing high maintenance costs
Is this cr
p ? or if not how do Qantas, and most of the US airlines get on when they have heaps of different aircraft? (and now thinking of A320"s with the lcc).
007
ps didnt Qantas operate some airbuses about 5-6 years ago, and then phase them out to keep an all Boeing fleet?
If it aint Boeing......it aint goin
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I think youre right, with youre first assumption it was c$%^&p! Most Airlines can sustain Multiple different fleets. The costly thing is educating maianteneance and flight crews, but it is possible. Look at Cathay for example, B747,B777,A340, A330.There are many examples of it. But QANATS are now again a true AIRBUS customer A330 , A380S on order and now their new LCC with A321.
So I think Aibus is sstayer
Sheep
I think youre right, with youre first assumption it was c$%^&p! Most Airlines can sustain Multiple different fleets. The costly thing is educating maianteneance and flight crews, but it is possible. Look at Cathay for example, B747,B777,A340, A330.There are many examples of it. But QANATS are now again a true AIRBUS customer A330 , A380S on order and now their new LCC with A321.
So I think Aibus is sstayer
Sheep
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Freedom have just run into a bit of trouble with the A320 bought by Air NZ.
Word is that it won't do the Melbourne to Dunedin sector. Not enough gas. (Gas vs freight vs people).
That's all I heard. Don't know the full story but someone with a bit of knowledge on the aircraft could help out here.
So Freedom won't be going to the A320 anytime soon until this is sorted out.
Maybe that's why Air NZ isn't going to be flicking off their old 737's just yet?
Word is that it won't do the Melbourne to Dunedin sector. Not enough gas. (Gas vs freight vs people).
That's all I heard. Don't know the full story but someone with a bit of knowledge on the aircraft could help out here.
So Freedom won't be going to the A320 anytime soon until this is sorted out.
Maybe that's why Air NZ isn't going to be flicking off their old 737's just yet?
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Kavu, By way of response to your last post :
Freedom have just run into a bit of trouble with the A320 bought by Air NZ.
I don't quite know what this means?? Since FRE is not yet (but will be) operating the A320, it can't as yet have "run into a bit of trouble"
Word is that it won't do the Melbourne to Dunedin sector. Not enough gas. (Gas vs freight vs people).
"word is ...... WRONG !! - basically anything the B733 can do the A320 can do anywhere on a scale of sligtly better to a lot better.
So Freedom won't be going to the A320 anytime soon until this is sorted out.
Maybe that's why Air NZ isn't going to be flicking off their old 737's just yet?
ANZ's B733's are far from "old" all being acquired brand new ex factory in 1998 and onwards. And ANZ never had any plan to get out of B733 ops - always planned to maintain a fleet of at least 10 for the foreseeable future for NZ Domestic ops, and this number may now be slightly increased (by 3-4) following the success of the domestic LC model.
As to the questioin that initiated this thread - ECONOMICS !! - Not just cost of operating, but cost of acquisition, leases/repayments, etc etc etc - QF like any sound operator makes commercial decisions - I realise JFK's anniversary brings out the conspiracy theorists, but really - to see a decision to buy airplane x v airplane y as a tactic to undermine working conditions ........????? -
Freedom have just run into a bit of trouble with the A320 bought by Air NZ.
I don't quite know what this means?? Since FRE is not yet (but will be) operating the A320, it can't as yet have "run into a bit of trouble"
Word is that it won't do the Melbourne to Dunedin sector. Not enough gas. (Gas vs freight vs people).
"word is ...... WRONG !! - basically anything the B733 can do the A320 can do anywhere on a scale of sligtly better to a lot better.
So Freedom won't be going to the A320 anytime soon until this is sorted out.
Maybe that's why Air NZ isn't going to be flicking off their old 737's just yet?
ANZ's B733's are far from "old" all being acquired brand new ex factory in 1998 and onwards. And ANZ never had any plan to get out of B733 ops - always planned to maintain a fleet of at least 10 for the foreseeable future for NZ Domestic ops, and this number may now be slightly increased (by 3-4) following the success of the domestic LC model.
As to the questioin that initiated this thread - ECONOMICS !! - Not just cost of operating, but cost of acquisition, leases/repayments, etc etc etc - QF like any sound operator makes commercial decisions - I realise JFK's anniversary brings out the conspiracy theorists, but really - to see a decision to buy airplane x v airplane y as a tactic to undermine working conditions ........????? -
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Comparison
Make some comparisons of your own...
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Good sites, even for those who fly 'em
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www.b737.org.uk
Good sites, even for those who fly 'em
All the Information on the LCC is all speculation, nobody knows what the pay will be like ,it will certainly be competitive .
Most A320 drivers have had jobs for 1-2 years now and many F/Os are now Captains in good foreign airlines, and more than 50% at a guess will not come back . There will easily be enough jobs for the AN and Impulse guys the only bunfight will be how the commands get dished out. I also think there will not be enough F/Os availiable.
My guess at pay more like $150,000 for a Captain including O/time + allowances. QF arent stupid they already proved that by starting the LCC.
Most A320 drivers have had jobs for 1-2 years now and many F/Os are now Captains in good foreign airlines, and more than 50% at a guess will not come back . There will easily be enough jobs for the AN and Impulse guys the only bunfight will be how the commands get dished out. I also think there will not be enough F/Os availiable.
My guess at pay more like $150,000 for a Captain including O/time + allowances. QF arent stupid they already proved that by starting the LCC.
