Avalon charging pilots for GPS approaches.
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snarek,
No, I'm not directly affected. It just ph_cks me off to see it happen because of the precedent it sets if nothing is done about it.
Thanks again for doing something about it.
No, I'm not directly affected. It just ph_cks me off to see it happen because of the precedent it sets if nothing is done about it.
Thanks again for doing something about it.
I don't want to be the best pilot in the world - Just the oldest
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Is there a Ministry of Fair Trading or equivalent in Victoria?
Perhaps a phone call to that office might give some insight into the legality of charging for something you do not own.
C'mon Creampuff how about a legal opinion on this.
I'm with Triadic - refuse to pay the b@stards. Other airfields have tried this in the past and whilst they may have stung a few, ended up with egg on their faces in the end.
Perhaps a phone call to that office might give some insight into the legality of charging for something you do not own.
C'mon Creampuff how about a legal opinion on this.
I'm with Triadic - refuse to pay the b@stards. Other airfields have tried this in the past and whilst they may have stung a few, ended up with egg on their faces in the end.
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Paddopat. You misunderstand me. I have the greatest regard for our AOPA - certainly was not knocking their efforts to fix up Avalon on behalf of GA operators in the Melbourne area. But AOPA cannot do this without indications from the affected operators that they want it fixed. And if Avalon don't reply to correspondence from AOPA then that's the end of the story.
It is easier for operators to tack on the extra Avalon bucks at the end of the students account rather than engage in legal proceedings which will only fill the pockets of the lawyers.
It is easier for operators to tack on the extra Avalon bucks at the end of the students account rather than engage in legal proceedings which will only fill the pockets of the lawyers.
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a proposal
Menen
Are you agreeing with me just to make me like you
Here's a proposal. An AOPA airports support 'team'. That doesn't mean me doing all the work either guys!!!
We get together interested AOPA members from each and hopefully every airport in the country, we put a bit of dough in (locally to the local group) and organise via AOPA.
When something like the Avalon rort comes up, we all write nasty letters, pay out on governments and if necessary, with AOPA assistance, we take em to court!!!
Who is game??
AK
Are you agreeing with me just to make me like you
Here's a proposal. An AOPA airports support 'team'. That doesn't mean me doing all the work either guys!!!
We get together interested AOPA members from each and hopefully every airport in the country, we put a bit of dough in (locally to the local group) and organise via AOPA.
When something like the Avalon rort comes up, we all write nasty letters, pay out on governments and if necessary, with AOPA assistance, we take em to court!!!
Who is game??
AK
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Nothing wrong with snarek's suggestion.
In the case of YMAV and a charge for a GPS APCH, I think this demonstrates the low level of understanding of matters aviation of the originator of the charge. Quite simply if they actually knew what they were doing then they wouldn't have made such a charge.
The demonstrated lack of aviation understanding is in reality more of a worry than the actual charge itself. And to think the owner/s of YMAV thought they could run an airline.
Good try though, trying to charge for something they don't own
Disco Stu
In the case of YMAV and a charge for a GPS APCH, I think this demonstrates the low level of understanding of matters aviation of the originator of the charge. Quite simply if they actually knew what they were doing then they wouldn't have made such a charge.
The demonstrated lack of aviation understanding is in reality more of a worry than the actual charge itself. And to think the owner/s of YMAV thought they could run an airline.
Good try though, trying to charge for something they don't own
Disco Stu
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Stu
Over a year ago I phoned them, twice, and wrote them a nasty letter (reminds me of a Kevin Bl@@dy Wilson song).
They know what they are doing allright. They knew before we (AOPA) told them it wasn't on!!
In my view they are being just like the rortsters from Ghana, try it on and make a few bucks from suckers.
Sick em Rex.
AK
Over a year ago I phoned them, twice, and wrote them a nasty letter (reminds me of a Kevin Bl@@dy Wilson song).
They know what they are doing allright. They knew before we (AOPA) told them it wasn't on!!
In my view they are being just like the rortsters from Ghana, try it on and make a few bucks from suckers.
Sick em Rex.
AK
Not familiar with the airspace around avalon, but what's wrong (in VMC) with saying that you are joining a 20odd mile final at the MSA and descending according to a 3 degree glideslope from about 6 miles?
Do you still get charged?
Do you still get charged?
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Don't just sit there, do something.
First.
Thanks for bringing this to out attention.
Second, we (AOPA via Marjorie Pagani) are trying to stop this. BUT we can't do it alone.
Write letters, get up your local member. Tell everyone you know. Send emergency e-mails etc.
If you don't fight it now you can either end up paying for all practise approaches or end up in the courts!!!
Read the gem of section (e) and imagine what they could charge you for!!!
(1) An aerodrome operator may fix a fee in relation to
that aerodrome for any or all of the following—
(d) a training flight approach;
(e) the carrying out of an activity, or the
provision of a service, directly related to the
arrival, departure, parking or training flight
approach of an aircraft;
PS, a few more members would help, try joining AOPA and helping us fight this sort of bull.
AK
Thanks for bringing this to out attention.
Second, we (AOPA via Marjorie Pagani) are trying to stop this. BUT we can't do it alone.
Write letters, get up your local member. Tell everyone you know. Send emergency e-mails etc.
If you don't fight it now you can either end up paying for all practise approaches or end up in the courts!!!
Read the gem of section (e) and imagine what they could charge you for!!!
(1) An aerodrome operator may fix a fee in relation to
that aerodrome for any or all of the following—
(d) a training flight approach;
(e) the carrying out of an activity, or the
provision of a service, directly related to the
arrival, departure, parking or training flight
approach of an aircraft;
PS, a few more members would help, try joining AOPA and helping us fight this sort of bull.
AK
Last edited by snarek; 4th Sep 2003 at 09:51.
