"No news is good news" :\ , as they say :E

However, I suspect this could be the exception :mad:

Two days on and not a sausage? Anyone?

Why would the union tell us?.........we only pay the bleedin' subs!!

More talks this Friday ........... don't hold your breath though :*. Word on the street is Max. 2.5% "pay increase " or in other words a 3.3% pay cut:mad:

Worth startng a campaign now... we should make it clear to the Union that any pay rise we receive (and we had better get one) has to be pensionable up to the limit as agreed and requested by management in the recent Pension Ballot.

No 1.25% non-pensionable malarky :=

Firstly, 1.25% is a joke.

Secondly, pensionable up to the RPI+0.5% limit, or else.

No bleating about the current economic situation when it comes to pensionable portion of any pay rise - pensions are long term investments.

Our powder is chuffing dry

edited after Vote No added the 2.5% bit.

That's a hell of a jump 1.25% non pensionable to 2.5% in the space of a fortnight and one set of talks. How much is really available if we play hardball.

Chances are the union will swallow it hook line and sinker though.

Still a long way to go, IMO. The union will never accept a non-pensionable payrise as this would start the divide straight away between the new pension and old. What happens in 10-15 years time though when likely most people will be on new pension is entirely different:eek::eek::eek:

The 'Yes' voters were warned that rolling over on the pension issue would invite relentless attacks on T&C's.

Management know that if staff weren't prepared to defend the 'sacred cow' of their pension then they definately won't fight over pay.

Does anyone on here really believe that staff would strike over a pay freeze (cut in real terms)? Not a chance, just as they wouldn't if the same deal was offered in 2010 and 2011.

The management are only doing their job and they're doing it brilliantly.

Nice of the union to let us know! Obviously I would'nt expect the fnkcing company to, their one piece of information on the subject being the article on Natsnet on the 18th of March.

Far be it from me to defend a union I'm not a member of but reps I know have made the point that they won't negotiate in a goldfish bowl. I'm sure they'll let everyone know the outcome once negotiations are complete and agreement reached. Why the constant need to know every little step of the negotiation process? Its not going to influence the outcome IMHO.
But the company has made information available and you have the ability to comment on that, something I'm not aware the unions have made available to its members.

BD

Yeah good point I take that back. I have been used to them getting in touch really quickly before though.

The information has been minimal though and a few weeks ago when there was NO information I tried to ask HR and they just fobbed me off and ignored emails I sent.

Don't read too much into that. In any organisation, HR always fob people off and ignore e-mails from staff on any subject. HR are only there to suggest completely inappropriarte candidates for roles that they do not understand, and to oversee disciplinary procedures on people who work in a context they do not understand.

Oh and in any engineering organisation they are also there to provide the best looking/only women in the building (sexist I know, but empircally true)

Just got this years Council Tax bill.... pretty much up 5% for the services of most agencies...... Fire, Police, Council spending etc etc.

Shame you didn't bear that in mind when you were telling people to vote YES for the pension eh?

More posts vanishing again...... Viva Natsnet!!!

These HQ types are very easily offended :} and nasty keyboard warriors must not be so naughty :oh:

Me thinks he has gone to ground, but a well chosen no vote may well flush the blighter out :E

ps ..hope I am not being offensive, if so I will unreservedly withdraw my remark :E

The car park in Whiteley is likely to be somewhat emptier next month and beyond, so I guess the focus with senior management is with the redundancies rather than the pay rise and in my view rightly so. I guess once this has been completed pay negotiations will be taken a bit more seriously by NATS?

Yeah right. It's just scabby managements latest distraction technique. They are most likely waiting untill the first redundancies are gone at the end of this month and then use it in some way against a pay rise, ie: weve had to pay out all your payrise money to afford the redundancy payouts, boo hoo :(

Jungle Jim

don't get used to all the free parking spaces - no doubt there will be some new management posts created, so they will need spaces... meanwhile at the coalface, the ATSAs and ATCEs numbers dwindle

BDiONU
Perhaps the constant need to know is because so many members have lost so much faith in the reps negotiating skills, both during and after the pension proposal. The reps have brought it upon themselves that everyone wants to know every step during the negotiations.
I think the membership want to be sure that "expectations aren't being managed" AGAIN, and that the reps aren't "working together" with management too closely AGAIN.
"Once bitten, twice shy" springs to mind.

That should flush the blighter out :ok: