the thing is, it may help you go through the feast but in any way it will help you through the selection proccess.
Congrats, you're through stage 1, let's see if you can go through the psychological tests and the interview as well. And please keep us updated as I think none of you guys who practiced in feast.com ever posted here your final result. Maybe i'm wrong, but no one got to the end?

Anyway, i still dont understand why people come to this thread when they're not applying to eurocontrol. This thread is not called feast... :o

best of luck*

Practice
 

Hi Paraskevoula,

I'm goinf for the TEST in September. Can you please give me a website for the training soft? Is it expensive?

If they didn't want us to practice then they wouldn't tell us the name of the test. They also told us we can find information on the internet so that we know what to expect.

what i said is what eurocontrol told me. and the psychologists of the german air traffic control said exactly the same, that you either have the skills or not and that it is not practicable.

and why do they allow you to take it again after two years? because the test is only a test, it is not the real training, so it is possible that applicants who passed the test fail the training as well as applicants who failed the test could have passed the training.
but the chances with the test are higher to succeed.

if you really think so, why don't you send an email to eurocontrol and ask how you can prepare? and what are the best preperation tools?


"It is understandable that people want to be successful in these tests, but preparing for them is not the same as the kind of preparation you might have made in the past for school examinations. In reality, you have to be confident in your skills and ability. Even though similar tests are available on the market, it would not be of any help to be successful in the testing procedure, because you have been able to practise, if you don’t feel really at ease with the cognitive and behavioural requirements. In these circumstances, even if you started the training, you might well fail later on. Therefore, we recommend that you do not focus too much on the psychological tests."

do you think they wrote this as a joke????

Eurocontrol suggested feasttest.com as a preparation tool. And the people who called to invite us for part 2 suggested that we search the internet for prep tools on DART.

Anw, there is no point in arguing about this. All I am saying is that you may have the skills and that practice will improve those skills. You may pass with no practice whatsoever, but with practice you will definitely, in my opinion, achieve better results. On the other hand, if you don't have the skills, no amount of practice could make any difference, so practice or no practice, you will fail.
These are not skills that can be taught. No one can teach you how to fold a cube, you just have to be able to envision it. And since most of us do not have a hobby of folding cubes, practice will improve someone's spatial awareness. I do not agree that "practice makes perfect" but it sure makes "good", "better" and this is what I am aiming for.

yes but you are not applying for eurocontrol. you will take or have alreay taken the feast test.

of course it is possible that your local ansp has other rules/opinions.

@Paraskevoulla:

(I haven't figured out how to work the "quote" function on this forum).....

Why havent I directly answered your question?

1. I wrote a reasonably lengthy and what I hoped to be a helpful reply, im so sorry (not) if it didnt specifically address the point you are for some reason trying to make.

2. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and it doesnt flatter you.

3. Honestly the question to your answer is; I couldnt give a !!!!! I've been through the process, I made it, im successful. The rules are the rules. Like it or leave it - your choice.

4. If your attitude in real life matches your attitude on the internet give up now (although I bet it doesnt because people find it easy to hide behind keyboards) - you will not succeed ANYWHERE in ATC with a smart arse attitude.

5. As metioned, this is NOT a FEAST thread, its a Eurocontrol thread.

You can make veiled (and not so veiled) insults all night long, I literally couldnt give a rats ass - ill drink a beer to you now, good luck with your applications - ill enjoy my time at the radar again tomorrow, you know, over here in the real world.........:ok:

feast
 

Calm down Bet. You know it's not good for the job

It is better than practicing for selection procedures.

You guys are drifting the topic.... I just wanted to thank bravo_victor07 for his detailed explanation of the test. It helped a lot..... Being a responsive person means take action and have a good planning. Looking into it is a good action..... Good Luck all.

dart
 

Hi there! When are you taking the exam? Congrats for passing phase 1 and best of luck for DART

Thought I'd take a look through this thread since I've just been through the NATS process and was wondering how they compared.

With regards to FEAST I recall the test itself stating it was unsuitable for more than one attempt as it's designed with little preparation in mind, that did make me wonder about those who fail the process and reapply. There are a lot of other tests and procedures though at least with NATS so it's not the be all and end all.

Also, I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hostility going on here. What happened to those level-headed competencies people? ;]

DART
 

could anyone pls tell me, in DART what is the minimum distance allowed between 2 aircraft in order for conflict to be avoided? what about collision? I would really appreciate it if somebody who has taken dart could clear this up for me!
thanks

questions about DART
 

Hi everybody. Can someone answer few reasonable questions about DART? I have read that the priorities are:
1)Avoid conflicts;
2)Use less commands;
3)Pass checkpoints accurately
So my questions are: First of all I want to know if all applicants will have exactly the same scenarios. I don't think that someone must have only the right abilities to guide the aircrafts, sometimes luck helps. For example if you have many passive a/cs in your way and you cannot do anything to avoid them then you will have a conflict whatever you do.
Second I want to ask If our aircraft is not going to pass accurately through the checkpoint is it better to change the heading at last moment? If we don't pass accurately then we lose points,also if we give more commands we also get lower scores.So what is better to do? I have the same question about the order of the checkpoints.Sometimes the initial heading of the a/c will pass through a checkpoint with the wrong order and this will deduct points. Is it better to give command and change the heading? Also changing the altitude to avoid conflicts is important but If in our scenario is needed to do this many times then points will be deducted?I think the goal and rules of DART are fully explained but it's not clear how you lose points and what is the best to for getting high scores.

feast I
 

Hi everybody sorry for my poor english.I will take feast 1 in my country.If anyone who participated to the feast I in the colsest time can s/he say what part of feast 1 include? And also is skytest useful for feast 1 ?
thank you..

hi, does anyone know anything about the future of recruiting new student air traffic controllers?

on the website it is said, that there will be no testing and training in the next years. does anyone know something about when it is scheduled to start the selection procedure again?
i heard that the next course is scheduled for 2015

for everyone who is interested in eurocontrol: eurocontrol is not training for at least 4 years. at the moment, it is planned to train new air traffic controllers in 2017.

I had understood they didn't require fully trained ATCOs until 2017 (so training would begin 2014-2015)? This was the last news I had heard at the start of 2012 - is your information new Unreg?

my information is 8 days old. look at the homepage, it is not possible to apply for the next years.

a friend who works in maastricht said, that eurocontrol has too many controllers at the moment, that is why trainees get money for quitting the training.

Payment thing is not true.

are you sure? One of the persons that are responsible for the training told him that. But it could be also possible that he missunderstood him.

grid test
 

Hi guys,

Just a quick question...

When doing the grid test... are the only two measurement values 10(node to node along vertices) and 14(diagnol).

Will we be expected to calculate the diagnol across 2 squares where the diagnol would be 22 ( basically 10^2 + 20^2 = X^2, where X is the diagnol )

Hi everyone. I have a little question and i'd really appreciate any sort of help. Is the DART on feast2 structured exactly as if you choose the 'Run all consecutively' scenario on the preparation program? I mean checkpoint, number of planes in each level and etc?? Thanks in advance

Stage 1, Timing?
 

Hello everyone,
I just found that forum and I wen trough most of the comments.
Thank you, in advance.
Since I am going soon to the stage one of the feast test I would like to ask people who already passed it if the can share some light on the issue with the timing especially on the coordinate system?What is the time limit there per question?I went trough wikipedia link of the test and I saw the limit for the spatial orientation but there is nothing about the coordinate system.If you can add something in addition to the English part as what it might contain further than the explanation on wiki.
I apologize if someone wrote about the time and the English but I went through most of the comments and I did not find it.And finally of the people who recently went trough stage one did any of you had to do the strip test? Or it is already replaced by the DART?
Thank you very much

The time issue
 

Hello Everyone,
I am new in he forum and I went trough most of the comments but I did not see anywhere the timing of stage one of the Feast test.I saw the link that you are referring to on wiki and there is information only about the cubes part.I would like to know for the coordinate system what is the time that you need to complete the task. Could you please tell me if the strip test are removed as it is said on wiki and it is replaced from the DART.If you can share some light on the English part as in terms of content? How long is the the whole feast 1 ?
Thank you

feast I
 

Hello! I cannot tell you much about the time you have for each test since I do not remember. Feast I takes approx 2 hours to complete. Indeed the strip test is replaced with DART. Now for the English test. You listen to a conversation between 2 people and then required to answer some questions. You will hear dates, numbers, prices, locations, you need to be very concentrated and obviously have a good memory. Then, you hear a sentence, at some point a biiip and then you choose the correct word or phrase that completes this sentence. Again, a sentence and you choose the word that means the same or the opposite word with the word that is highlighted. There's also the reading part. You read a passage, you can go back and read it again if you want, but as soon as you proceed with the questions part, you are not allowed to go back. Generally the English test is demanding and a bit confusing, but you should not worry about time cause you have plenty of it!

Thank you,
It seems concentration is everything.
It might be a repetitive question but is there any chance the DART test to be on feast 1 or it is always on the second stage? And what is usually the time distance between the two stages?

In doubt
 

I passed feast 1 and the second test as well.

No math tasks yet so I am alright, but suddenly it hits me: should I even continue this when I know I suck at math?

Surely there will be some heavy math during the education? I don't want to waste my own time or the company's time.

That all depends on whether you are talking about mental arithmetics or full-blown maths.

The first, you will have to be able to do a lot, do it quickly and fairly accurately. The second, you won't need very much.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I seem to be finding contrasting information.

To apply, do I need just 5+ GCSE's or do I need A Levels?

Also does anyone have an idea when they are recruiting trainee air traffic controllers again? The website says: "For the coming years there will be no recruitment of student air traffic controllers", however there are posts on here in the recent weeks about attending stages. Is any recruitment near?

most likely 2017.

Sorry for the 1 year delay in response BeT. I believe you lost your wager considering I got in with a very decent score I might say, even if not at Eurocontrol, the tests are the same in difficulty.
In my opinion there are 2 types of ATCs. Those that are born(like a friend of mine here at courses that has been playing with aircraft simulators since he was a kid) and those the become one(like me, who have to study and practice for this). Point is, you can practice for tests as much as you wish, either you got it or you don't. Heck apparently I got it.
See you on this side and on frequencies or data-link.
Cheers.

So, just to clarify....

Are you now a qualified Air Traffic Controller?






I suspect not.

elafrican , radio check...??

What's the value of gridline spacing in Feast's coordinate system test? Is it 10 NM as it is in Skytest or it's different? Thx.

FEAST 1 and 2
 

I want to ask about the DART and "strip management display" are in second part of the FEAST, or DART is in first part.

hello
 

I have a question, in a few days i'll take feast fase 1 and i don't understand the exercise coordonate system test, can some one explain iti to me
thanks

Probably too late, but have you read through this thread or tried googooing it?

To re-iterate, if you've got what it takes you'll have no real problems with these tests.

Yes sir, I am OJT ATC. Doing pretty well too.
I still don't approve to the fact that you tell them to not practice. What they practice is still very different to the whole exam, the training and most of all, the real life situation. If someone is not cut out for this, they can practice all they want, they won't pass. People are stubborn, they come here to get an answer, telling them "don't do that, you will fail the training", will only make them to say "yea yea w/e, I'll see when I'm there". Also, training the brain is normal. If only "pure breeds", people that never ever trained their brain, memory, attention worked at EC, well....my guess is that they would have only a handful of them in the whole Europe.
My best training was playing MMoRPGs since 2004, so I got my attention very well formed, plus I have a decent brain and memory, enough for the job I guess.
You don't know if you're qualified until you take the test and wanting to know what's to be expected of you is natural. Even at regular interviews, for like McDonalds, they probably ask you if you know what the company does for a living, so they can tell if you know what you're getting into.
I for one, didn't know that. My aunt(who is an ATCO) told me "take the test, it's a very nice job". That cleared everything for me... and, at least here qualified ATCOs don't really talk about their job to the full extent, since most of it is classified.

Anyway, to end this huge chapter, and I strongly emphasize...
Practicing the test DOES NOT mean you are going to become an ATC or if you do become one by a miracle, survive in this world.
Even at a middle size traffic TWR, the resposability per plane is HUGE, you start dreaming at night scenarios and what not, not for the weak(well can be for the weak if you don't really care about others or you and are just in it for money).
So again, practice, but if you're just stacking bricks without a solid foundation, the building(you) will collapse.

So BeT, since I've become older and wiser, I'd like to apologise if I insulted you in any way, I admit I was a bit angry that you, any of you, told me I will not become ATC because *insert reasons*. I guess you were only trying to help, but as I said, stubbornness kills or helps, depends.


Cheers and I wish you all 0 red screens/mayday's/pans and everything negative.

Have a good day.

Mr sain
 

So are you now on the atc course? I am deciding whether to practice tests similar to feast, could you please give me some reasons for and against doing this?