:Dnice bag, but the flag is wrong:=

Is it still raining???????:cool: ahhhhhhhhhh..........

only in our hearts since you left. .............................us in the sh1t

In the what?????!!!!!!!:eek: Should I revise my decision about the job?

relax.its just making fun. you know ...jokes. First i say '' it's raining in our hearts since you left '' then i say '' nnnnnot! '' get it.

Yeah, I'm cool:cool:. Joking too:ok: I'm sure that I will recognize you in Shannon by your style of joking;)

look forward to working with you . you will enjoy working here and may even find it to be a refreshing change. see you soon.

Do you two want to get a room? :}

azamat bogatov springs to mind. not such a good idea.

Temporary Accomodation in Dublin
 

I am joining Dublin next month; could anyone advise me where can I get a decent temporary accommodation. Initially I will be coming alone after few months I will bring my family. I searched daft.ie, but I don't know which part of the city will be better for me. I need help. Thanks a lot

Anywhere in Temple Bar - if you want to see the nightlife (highly recommended)

where in dublin
 

using Daft- check out the town of swords as a starter. its only a few kms from the airport/acc and has decent (by irish standards) transport links. the town itself has pretty much everything that you may need. there are plenty of other places close enough to the acc, but this is a good starting point.

A question for all you people giving up jobs in Oz etc .

Why on earth would you want to come to Ireland? It has rained non stop for the last 3 months (Irish summer ), the cost of living is possibly the highest in Europe , the health service is third world, the economy is in freefall, the rosters we work are murder, you will never get a word of appreciation from our management . In fact the only face to face you will get is when you are in trouble. You will never get a days casual leave.

If you dont believe me read the threads for the last 12 months on pprune.

Apart from all this the lads are good to work with and you will be treated with fairness and respect on the operations floor.

Any comments please.......

accommodation.
 

anywhere along the coast is nice. Donabate, Malahide, Portmarnock, lots of controllers living there, Baldoyle , sutton and Howth. Howth is very nice, good pubs, restaurants, harbour, its scenic and is the last stop on the Dart line.

I'm on my way across in 2 weeks:

Well it's an opportunity to explore the world, well Europe anyway.
I have noticed, it will be a nice change, for a while anyway, the weather is a concern, but not insurmountable, tis only the weather, we'll see after I'm there for a while...
Maybe true, but life's an adventure; my decision is not financially based, if it were I wouldn't be flying 6 hours past the middle east; where I had an offer.
They look good compared to what we have in Oz and the current contract discussions the employer want's to make them worse, a little consistency will be appreciated.
Just like any other ANSP; ASA probably has the trophy of worlds worst? (and there are many contenders) We had Global recruits come in 12 months ago, all those on LWOP from their previous employer, except the Sth Africans, will be going home after their LWOP runs out; none like the management or the company.
same same. Have you noticed the TIBA thing going on in OZ, almost everyday in the last 6 months without exception I have worked in a short staffed environment, enough is enough.

For me Ireland is an escape vehicle, I hope I'm headed in the right direction; if not I can always change my mind at some time; it's not like it's irreversible; even if ASA doesn't take me back; the Middle East will always have vacancies, particularly post Dubai World Central opening.

I'll keep my answers sensible.

We get practically no rain in Melbourne any more which can be as bad as having rain all the time. Apart from that I have been keeping an eye on the Dublin weather and it is not quite true to say that it has rained non-stop for the last 3 months.

The cost of living is getting higher and higher in Australia and according to the latest cost of living figures, Sydney is more expensive to live in than Dublin is and Melbourne is closing fast. London is still far more expensive to live in than Dublin so it is also not true to say that the cost of living is possibly the highest in Europe.

The health service in Australia is not perfect either, the waiting lists for public hospitals are ridiculously long and Private Health Insurance premiums are rising at about 8-10% a year.

This isn't unique to Ireland and in some way is a bonus because it means that rents are coming down and house prices are falling.

I can't see how working 5on 3 off is murder, we work a variety of shifts from 3 on 1 off to 4 on 1 or 2 off and 5 on 2 off. We also can finish at 11.30pm on the last shift, have 2 days off then start with an 0730 on the first day of the new cycle which can make your days off go very quickly.

????? Where does this happen? If you are looking for praise from management than you are in the wrong job.

I prefer to avoid any face to face contact with management, it is better to come in, talk to the aircraft than go home.


This is the same in Australia and in fact if the current mob get their way we also won't have any proper days off. They are looking to introduce a system where you will practically be on call during your days off because if you turn down an overtime shift you will have to explain to your immediate manager why you said no.

Have a look at the "ASA Solves Staff Shortage" Thread in "D&G Reporting Points" and you will see that it is no better and possibly a lot worse in Australia. We are up to August 51st on the "Gregorian" Calendar because our staff shortages will be fixed by the end of August!

This is all you want when you work in ATC, it is the same in Australia that the people who work on the floor with you are good value and make it all worthwhile.

Speaking personally I was born in Ireland and moved out to Australia with my family when I was 7 years old. I am looking forward to coming "home" to Ireland and to experiencing a different kind of life. I have had the same comments from some of my family as to why would I want to go to Ireland and my answer is always the same.

"Because I want to experience a different life to the one that I have lived for the last 30 years and Europe is so accessible, the amount of places we will be able to see is endless."

Jackl, with all due respect you seem to have lived all your life in Ireland and it is understandable that you are tired of the IAA and the Irish weather.

Don't discourage people who have the courage to try something different and experience a different kind of life. It takes a lot of strength to relocate countries and the last thing people need to hear is generalized negativity from people like yourself.

I can guarantee you that anyone who has made the decision to move to Ireland has not done it lightly and will have done a good bit of research prior to making the decision.

My final reason for moving?

Guinness!

Maybe we can have one together if you work in Dublin :ok:

Oh and trying to finish this post, other reasons for moving.....

Liverpool FC
Dublin GAA
Republic of Ireland Internationals
St Andrews, Ballybunion, K Club, Portmarnock etc. (I play off a 6 handicap)
Shopping in Paris for the other half (not sure if this is good or not :{ )
Europe!!! :cool:


Hope this helps you understand.

Hey Block,

You posted your reply while I was typing my version of War and Peace! :}

Some very good points in your post also.

Jackl check this out also

YouTube - We still have TIBA at home...

Dublin Wx
 

Pay no attention to Jackl. It's beautiful
Dublin Weather Forecasts on Yahoo! Weather

West Atc that's the spirit
 

With an attitude and an outlook like that you will have no problems no matter where you go. I hope you take the up one of the positions with the IAA, we could do with your kind and lots more like you. I hope your attitude rubs off on a few of our more negative colleagues.It would be a good idea if one of our current Direct entries came on this thread to give an honest opinion and comparison. ''6 handicap''. Portmarnock for you. Although Donabate has a fine selection of courses. Best of luck and hope you take the job.

IN my defence,,

If I come across as overly negative that was not the intention but I would like to state the following,

(a) The last twelve to eighteen months have been a bruising and difficult time for controllers in IAA. The dispute was difficult and morale sapping for all staff and the comments made in the media about us by our management were uncalled for, hurtful and downright disrecpectful to a staff that carried out major changes in rosters, equipment and procedures without complaint . Did this make me angry .You bet it did !!!!!

(b) As regards contract staff, I for one welcome anyone who will make our lives a bit easier and allow us to get a day off for a wedding , christening etc. I admire their bravery to travel so far as i have worked abroad and know what it is like .Just join the union and dont let yourselves be used as a stick to beat us in the next dispute.

(c) As i stated ,the job itself is fine and you will be treated fairly by all the staff. As regards not getting any recognition for work well done ,if it is an international thing in ATC centres it is still wrong and it costs very little to appreciate good hard working staff with a few words of praise or a company sponsored night out. After all as far as I know we are still the revenue generating side of the company.

(d) Mabye it is the weather just getting at me as we have had the worst summer on record or perhaps the fact that i have just paid a second mortage on childcare this month .

Apart from all that we are still a great little country ..