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HEATHROW DIRECTOR 3rd Sep 2017 19:34

If anyone on here has worked with Aeroflot or Russian AF in the 60s they'll know what muffled R/T is!

chevvron 4th Sep 2017 00:31


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 9881462)
If anyone on here has worked with Aeroflot or Russian AF in the 60s they'll know what muffled R/T is!

Wasn't helped by them using interpreters who had no aviation knowledge. The interpreter couldn't speak loudly in case he was heard over the RTF, he would just tell the pilot what to say and the pilot would repeat it parrot fashion. I've actually heard an interpreter shout at the pilot when the latter said the wrong thing.

Uplinker 6th Sep 2017 20:56

With a pre-flying background in broadcast quality comms engineering, my two pence worth:

Please everybody use a windshield on your microphone. If you don't, the receive station hears a breathy/scratchy sound accompanying your speech, along with the 'plosive'sounds: 'B' 'P' etc, which distort your transmissions and makes them less intelligible to the receiver. This will mean you have to repeat yourself more often.

If you don't use a windshield, the microphone will gradually fill up with spit and dust etc which will cause it to reduce and distort the electrical output.

A noise cancelling microphone needs to be close to and directly in front of the mouth to work properly - so that if you pursed your lips, they would touch the windshield. Even if the microphone is a only couple of inches away from the mouth, or below the mouth, the person receiving your transmission will hear mostly background noise - "say again?". Feel the microphone through the windshield to make sure it is facing your mouth and has not twisted to be edge on.

Speak normally but key the PTT a split second before speaking. The transmitter will not transmit instantly you key the switch, but takes a moment to check the transmit circuits and frequency are stable and correct before passing your speech. Unless you wait a split second your first word(s) will be clipped off: "station calling?".

I often get a hard time for saying these things, but it would improve the clarity of comms a lot if we could all follow these easy and simple steps. :ok:

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 6th Sep 2017 21:41

Professional pilots and ATCOs should know how to use microphones and most use lightweight headsets anyway.

chevvron 8th Sep 2017 12:24

Windshield? Doesn't get windy in ATC ops rooms unless certain people have eaten curry the night before.

Dan Dare 8th Sep 2017 13:00


Professional pilots and ATCOs should know how to use microphones
unfortunately pilots/ATCOs don't come with innate knowledge of such things and it is no longer taught so unless it's pointed out to them they never know! Some refuse to believe even when it has been pointed out to them.

I'm grateful for people like Uplinker giving the occasional nudge on the basics :D

Another basic that pilots are sometime guilty of:- using a hand-mic in front of a loudspeaker. OUCH!

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 8th Sep 2017 18:29

Well, they ought to be familiar with CAP 413 and there are full details of microphone usage there.

Nimmer 8th Sep 2017 22:31

Who to chat to in the rest room. The person who can quote CAP 413, or the person who has a life???

Answers on a postcard..........

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 9th Sep 2017 09:45

Good luck with your LCE Nimmer.

Nimmer 10th Sep 2017 07:51

Get up to date HD called a UCE now!!!

Don't think I have ever been asked anything out of CAP 413, however I need some help getting to sleep will start reading.


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