Can you provide a link, please?

Or https://navcanada.njoyn.com/CL4/XWEB...D=55980&lang=1

Any changes in Abu Dhabi approach(Gal) conditions?

Yep... as expected things have got worse!! They’ve just slashed medical benefits so it will cost more...... leave restrictions still in place with many leaving in the next few months..... GAL have their head in the sand and arnt bothered..... AUH will suffer but they don’t care

Hi! I'd like to know about gal ans hiring process of abu dhabi atco particularly the RAK Contract. How long usually does it take to be hired? I completed APC first week of September 2017.

Hi all,

I am looking for more info on packages in middle east. Quite Some vacancies still on the websites. I am an experienced controller currently working Amsterdam radar looking for New opportunities 😊

Any info is welkome (private)

Anyone with specific info on Bahrein

Funny old thing, when I joined IAL (now SERCO) in 1977 at the age of 24 and worked in the Middle East we enjoyed the same working conditions as you claim you have today in 2017-18;
o No pay increments
o No yearly bonuses
o No leave for an average 9 months and then NOT when you request it but when the SATCO allowed it.
But it was great fun and we never had;
o Stress (sorry what is this word?)
o Sleepless nights (except when we were partying or the baby woke up)
o Bullying (from the SATCO? Never - they were all one of the lads)
o Intimidation (maybe from the Indian ATC Assistants who wanted to sit in your chair and do the job for you!)
o Living nightmare (come on guys; why you are there?)

As they say: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose (“the more it changes, the more it's the same thing”).

qsyenroute

Amen to that. I was in Oman at the same time and can draw many parallels with what you say. Particularly the SATCO, he certainly was one of the boys. Supported his staff, fought their corner, brought calm and reason to attempts by the ATCOs' employer to react to demands by the DGCA to fire someone before reading an incident report, which often exonerated the ATCO. More than one ATCO's job was saved by his efforts.

Despite having set up the Muscat FIR and ACC (which the DGCA received all the credit) and set up an en-route charges system which made the government over $1million per month (which in the early 80s was very serious money) he got shafted because he knew too much about the DGCA Directors' social habits/lives during the many official trips that he was required to accompany them on. Probably still happens today?

The term "stress" also did not appear in our dictionary, neither did "prima donna"!

Dubai ATC
 

Salary is around 52000 uad (12500€), depending on which contract you receive (Dans/Serco) allowance for school is include in your package.

Hi Atcboss, thanks for the info. Is there a pension system or allowance on top of that salary? Thanks

https://www.propertyfinder.ae/ is a good tool to use for checking property prices in the UAE.

Rents have been reducing and continue to do so. Expect to pay anything from 100K - 150K for a two bedroom apartment in a decent location in Dubai. Popular areas for ex-pats living in flats are the Marina, Downtown or Sheikh Zayed Road (both sides) between the World Trade Center and Dubai Mall.

Hope this helps.

The 52,000AED quoted is perhaps little low. DXB Tower and Approach are closer to circa 40,000AED/month (+/- depending on experience) not including housing allowance. Housing is either paid annually in a lump sum (Serco) or monthly (DANS) and equates to 210,000AED per year. DANS contracts pay higher annual travel allowances (business class to point of hire rather than Economy for Serco).

Schooling allowance is 60,000 per child for Serco but a little more for DANS. I think it's 2 children with Serco or 3 for DANS. Schooling allowances haven't been increased for many years and are now well below what's needed - especially if you have multiple children. Expect to pay considerably out of your own pocket the older they get.

There are pros and cons that are not number related as to which contract is better, but that's personal choice.

Turnover of staff has increased over the last couple of years for a number of reasons, which I won't go in to, but significantly there are opportunities now in other countries that weren't there before and some have chosen to take them. ATCOs leaving, particularly from Approach, is much higher than average with more to go before the end of the year. But it's not just Dubai that are hurting, there are shortages everywhere. The problem is finding the solutions to retaining and attracting quality ATCOs - and that can only be with better incentives, money being the most effective.

RD

FLY065

It really depends on what you used to and what you are looking for. Keep in mind that a 2/3 bedrooms appartment along the coast ( you need at least one extra room for family or friends visiting) is the same price as a villa located 20min away from the shore.

Appartment in JBR/Marina/jumeriah are great if you’re looking for some fun ( time out, beach activities, restaurant, party’s,...) but they can be pretty noisy up to 3am. Very nice view on the sea, almost every appartment comes with a pool and gym to share. Budget will be around 3000/3500 € per month.

Villa are about the same price but with more space, located in a more relax environment. Pool, tennis, gym, playroom for kids,...

Atcboss;

One more question atcboss do you know if there is an age maximum to be accepted ( because I m 53)

Abu Dhabi 2018
 

Pm me for recent experiences of AUH but trust me, it ain't good.

Hi Vlad the Impaler, unfortunately I can not seem to find how I can send you a PM. Could it have been disabled by admin maybe?
As I don't have your email, would you mind sending me an email to this address? [email protected]
Many thanks.

You can’t use the Private Messaging system, add url links or images until you have an established posting history.

Hi Vlad,
The same goes for me, probably I don't have enough posts to be allowed to send PMs...
My email is [email protected]
Thanx

Hi,
Could you tell me how many hours per week do you work in Dubai? Is roster 6days of work and 4 days off?
Is the atmosphere at DXB TWR really so bad?

laxout,

See my previous post for most of the answers to your questions.

Travel is economy class with Serco - two tickets to point of hire a year.

Working cycle is 10 days - generally MMAANNSOOO. Annual leave is 34 working days.

As for negotiation, maybe, but usually you go in at bottom of scale. Pay scales are not published or visible to the employees.

RD

Hey Red Dagon,

Thanks for replying to my thread.

Could you please explain the 10 day work schedule? Am I reading it correctly?
Morning Shift, Morning Shift, Afternoon Shift Afternoon Shift, Night Shift, Night Shift, Overnight Shift, Day Off x3

For annual leave, is it earned a little every paycheck or do I have to wait a year before I get allotted the 34 days off.

Also, if you don't mind, I would like to ask you a few more questions. Please send me an email [email protected]

Thanks in advance! :)

Hey ATCO1985,

I am headed to APC in Dubai soon. :) I would appreciate any advice you could give. Or lessons learned. Please email me at [email protected].

Thanks in advance :)

I think he means Morning x 2, Afternoon x 2, Night x 2, sleep, off x3. 6 on 4 off

ATCOs working in Qatar or Dubai
 

Hi guys,

Just wondering if there is anyone here, currenly working at either Dubai or Qatar, that can answer a few questions that I have regarding the unit training and working environment over email?

Regards!

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Apc
 

Hello laxout.
I was wondering how did the Apc go ? Did you pass? Did they give you an offer ?
thanks for your response.