Lol. Well, they could've managed instead of the usual display of petulance. Maybe they could've
1). offered internationally competitive terms and thus removed any financial incentive to leave. Or
2). granted the leave without pay and trained people into those slots, on the condition that when returning you would probably not get your old seat back, or
3). Made a deal with the union to take contractors themselves for 3 years as replacements (or 1 year to allow training/ whatever).

That's just off the top of my head. My point is, decent management comes up with better plans than threats. Did the threats work? How does not re-employing someone help? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Perhaps people who have worked for a long time at AsA have forgotten what decent management is? Is anything changing under the new regime?

NEVER, EVER, burn your bridges when you leave a job. :=

Especially when you’ve spent months planting the Composition C explosive underneath the bridge before detonating it. :E

From the manual, “Burning C-4 produces poisonous fumes and should be avoided.” :ooh:

Those who left because they were angry with the way the place was run, and/or left a few choice words upon leaving, and then wonder why you can't come back....

really??

YOU KNEW WHAT THEY ARE LIKE AND YOU STILL DID IT??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sorry. No sympathy for Darwin Awards.

Would anyone be prepared to provide the T&C's on offer? PM? I appreciate it will be different dependent on location, but a general idea would be good. Thanks in advance

I would also be interested in moving to Australia if the offer is interesting. I have always wanted to go to Australia and this could be the great opportunity to have enough time to see the country! :-)

I am dual rated in tower and approach.

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Likewise.

Would love some details beyond what is on the AsA HomePage.

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Salary here, check attachment 1, plus superannuation, same document higher up. Entry level depending on experience.
Taxation avg 30%.
Location does not make any difference except for Sydney having a higher final salary level than the rest. It's the same whether tower, approach or en route, regional or big city.
Travel and relocation expences up to a maximum depending on circumstances (not sure which).

Good luck to all.

Thanks for the collective agreement!!! Very much appreciated.

How does the salary scale works for foreigners? If you have 5 years experience... what's the salary level to look at?

Satellite Man, I had my interview today. I have about 4 years experience and was told that the salary while training at the college for +- 3 months will be the field trainee salary, during validation level 1 and once solo between level 2 and 4, they said most likely level 4 based on my experience. She did they have 3 models they use based on experience, those being 0-6 years experience , 6-12 years and above 12 years. I fell into the 0-6 so not sure about the others.

Were you given any indication of a likely location? Seems a bit unreasonable to say you could be located anywhere in Aus! :eek:

For ease of reference:

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- Medical

CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS 1998 - REG 67.160 Who meets medical standard 3

As Mike1711, I have had a look at Airservices website but the location of the current openings for international applicants is not specifies... that would be good to know before applying. It must be very different working in Melbourne or in Alice Springs...

I throw this out there for any offshore who is considering moving to ASA.

In attempting to put a bum on a seat you may very well find that while you have a licence, those making the seat decision may not take into consideration you actual skill set/discipline. Believe me when I say if you're an Approach/Terminal controller, you may very well find yourself in a high level enroute sector or working some type of procedural sector . For some, a controller is a controller is a controller, and the change of scenery may be great. For other veterans with many years in a discipline, change may be not so good.

Just be aware, as even a signed offer letter may not be worth a paper it's printed on.

Unfortunately this has happened in the past. I seriously doubt whether this would be repeated this time 'round.

I only have an enroute ticket. So if ASA wanted me as twr/app because that is where the business dictates then they would have to send me through their college to get the appropriate rating and then send me out in the field??

I doubt they'd bother - if they were specifically wanting tower or approach that's who they'd hire. That said, there are plenty of en route places available too, noting I have absolutely no inside knowledge of which seats management are angling to fill with OS controllers.

Yes, one would think that. However, this is AsA we are talking about.
A recent foreign hire who I worked with, went with no approach experience. Hired on for tower, allegedly. When he arrived he was given an approach course and now sits in an approach seat.
I suspect they don't let this sort of information out to the troops. "Back-fill", and all that.

Anyone from the UK applying? I'm in the same boat. PM me if you want to chat.

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Le Pingouin
You're wrong actually.
I'm ex en-route recruited as approach controller by ASA.

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Number2: Just curious, were you hired as an en-route controller and wound up as an approach controller upon arrival or did you know you were to be assigned approach prior to signing with AsA?

Thanks

I believe this is where a certain ANSP kind of screwed up their foreign controller push 10-15 years ago. There was no real gap analysis done on a controller's skills or portability of license. Just because a controller had a rating in one country, it's not a sure thing he/she will validate in another.

And, harsh truth, the motivation behind a move needs to be ascertained. IMHO and from those I have met, there are three types of controllers who change ANSP - those who genuinely want to move to a new country as an adventure, are a pleasure to work with and never say "back in wherever we did things this way"; those lured by green grass and cash; and then there are those who their previous employer and co-workers are so happy to see leave and let bridges light their way.