Lol. Well, they could've managed instead of the usual display of petulance. Maybe they could've
1). offered internationally competitive terms and thus removed any financial incentive to leave. Or
2). granted the leave without pay and trained people into those slots, on the condition that when returning you would probably not get your old seat back, or
3). Made a deal with the union to take contractors themselves for 3 years as replacements (or 1 year to allow training/ whatever).

That's just off the top of my head. My point is, decent management comes up with better plans than threats. Did the threats work? How does not re-employing someone help? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Perhaps people who have worked for a long time at AsA have forgotten what decent management is? Is anything changing under the new regime?

NEVER, EVER, burn your bridges when you leave a job. :=

Especially when you’ve spent months planting the Composition C explosive underneath the bridge before detonating it. :E

From the manual, “Burning C-4 produces poisonous fumes and should be avoided.” :ooh:

Those who left because they were angry with the way the place was run, and/or left a few choice words upon leaving, and then wonder why you can't come back....

really??

YOU KNEW WHAT THEY ARE LIKE AND YOU STILL DID IT??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sorry. No sympathy for Darwin Awards.

Would anyone be prepared to provide the T&C's on offer? PM? I appreciate it will be different dependent on location, but a general idea would be good. Thanks in advance

I would also be interested in moving to Australia if the offer is interesting. I have always wanted to go to Australia and this could be the great opportunity to have enough time to see the country! :-)

I am dual rated in tower and approach.

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Likewise.

Would love some details beyond what is on the AsA HomePage.

AsA package
 

Salary here, check attachment 1, plus superannuation, same document higher up. Entry level depending on experience.
Taxation avg 30%.
Location does not make any difference except for Sydney having a higher final salary level than the rest. It's the same whether tower, approach or en route, regional or big city.
Travel and relocation expences up to a maximum depending on circumstances (not sure which).

Good luck to all.

Thanks for the collective agreement!!! Very much appreciated.

How does the salary scale works for foreigners? If you have 5 years experience... what's the salary level to look at?

Satellite Man, I had my interview today. I have about 4 years experience and was told that the salary while training at the college for +- 3 months will be the field trainee salary, during validation level 1 and once solo between level 2 and 4, they said most likely level 4 based on my experience. She did they have 3 models they use based on experience, those being 0-6 years experience , 6-12 years and above 12 years. I fell into the 0-6 so not sure about the others.

Were you given any indication of a likely location? Seems a bit unreasonable to say you could be located anywhere in Aus! :eek:

For ease of reference:

- Job details

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- Medical

CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS 1998 - REG 67.160 Who meets medical standard 3

As Mike1711, I have had a look at Airservices website but the location of the current openings for international applicants is not specifies... that would be good to know before applying. It must be very different working in Melbourne or in Alice Springs...

I throw this out there for any offshore who is considering moving to ASA.

In attempting to put a bum on a seat you may very well find that while you have a licence, those making the seat decision may not take into consideration you actual skill set/discipline. Believe me when I say if you're an Approach/Terminal controller, you may very well find yourself in a high level enroute sector or working some type of procedural sector . For some, a controller is a controller is a controller, and the change of scenery may be great. For other veterans with many years in a discipline, change may be not so good.

Just be aware, as even a signed offer letter may not be worth a paper it's printed on.

Unfortunately this has happened in the past. I seriously doubt whether this would be repeated this time 'round.

I only have an enroute ticket. So if ASA wanted me as twr/app because that is where the business dictates then they would have to send me through their college to get the appropriate rating and then send me out in the field??

I doubt they'd bother - if they were specifically wanting tower or approach that's who they'd hire. That said, there are plenty of en route places available too, noting I have absolutely no inside knowledge of which seats management are angling to fill with OS controllers.

Yes, one would think that. However, this is AsA we are talking about.
A recent foreign hire who I worked with, went with no approach experience. Hired on for tower, allegedly. When he arrived he was given an approach course and now sits in an approach seat.
I suspect they don't let this sort of information out to the troops. "Back-fill", and all that.

Anyone from the UK applying? I'm in the same boat. PM me if you want to chat.

Airservices Australia recruiting
 

Le Pingouin
You're wrong actually.
I'm ex en-route recruited as approach controller by ASA.

Airservices Australia
 

Number2: Just curious, were you hired as an en-route controller and wound up as an approach controller upon arrival or did you know you were to be assigned approach prior to signing with AsA?

Thanks

I believe this is where a certain ANSP kind of screwed up their foreign controller push 10-15 years ago. There was no real gap analysis done on a controller's skills or portability of license. Just because a controller had a rating in one country, it's not a sure thing he/she will validate in another.

And, harsh truth, the motivation behind a move needs to be ascertained. IMHO and from those I have met, there are three types of controllers who change ANSP - those who genuinely want to move to a new country as an adventure, are a pleasure to work with and never say "back in wherever we did things this way"; those lured by green grass and cash; and then there are those who their previous employer and co-workers are so happy to see leave and let bridges light their way.

Hired as TMA not en-route.

Location specific perhaps? Whatever the reason it's very much the exception than the rule.

Number2 is the fourth person I know from the same facility who was hired from Enroute to Approach. Of those four they went to three different posts.

Any news about this process? Anybody got contacted after applying?

Yes, I sent my application in in July 20 minutes before closure:rolleyes:
Was invited to do the online testing which I did somewhen last week. Received an email last wednesday saying that I met their requirements and that a behavioural interview would be conducted somewhen in September...

Similar to above. Applied in July, completed online tests, now a behavioural interview in September.

Thanks for the feedback, I guess I was not lucky. Good luck for both of you!

Airservices Australia recruiting
 

You will get an email saying thank you but sorry... The tests in my opinion is a crock of sh&t.... Simply can't see how phyc tests determine if I'll be a good ATCO who an obey rules and do my job properly. After 15 years plus experience as an ATCO in 4 different places all over the world with traffic levels varying from medium to very busy and complex in all the different disciplines I think I have the ability to adapt well and do my job properly. Well done to those who made it to the next round an good luck... Regards

@ waxo
 

I fully agree with you. Those tests are not necessarily good to filter the most suitable candidates. Nevertheless it seems to be the only way to do a preselection in order to avoid inviting all applicants for personal interviews. Those tests are conducted in other countries, too. Saves a lot of money to the company. And you as an experienced ATCO feel like shxt going through all this again.

Airservices Australia recruiting
 

I think an invite to do a practical assessment would do better but yes it will cost the company a fortune. Thing is I really wanted this badly and still do. I'm even prepared to pay my own way to get there and do a practical. But I guess it's not meant to be. Sad though. Such is life. Good luck to the guys through to next stage.

Airservices Australia recruiting
 

I know Dubai had them but canned it and went back to inviting candidates for APCs and interviews....

pondering the move....
 

Hi guys, have just had response that i've met requirements from the online tests for Airservices Australia and am waiting for my phone interview. Little bit disillusioned by some of the posts on this thread that i'm doing the right thing moving from UK ANSP to Aus...is there anyone that has taken this route within the last few years and can give me a realistic comparison between the two. Obviously when you work within a company, there are many opportunities for certain personality types to grumble about all aspects of working conditions, management etc, this tends to be what we do as humans (i know we do it here, despite the fact that we really don't have it bad). Personally, i think the industry has changed exponentially over the last few years and many people have issues with the new direction. Me, I look at my educational history and praise and celebrate the fact that, yes with lots of hard work and dedication, i have stumbled across a job which i love and enjoy so much. It pays well, i get fantastic family time and generally have an amazing quality of life. I'm privileged to be where i am. Admittedly there are things which frustrate me about the position i sometimes feel i'm placed in by management decisions, but i keep my nose clean, realise things change, and just keep pace.
Enjoy the position you're in guys, it's not a right, it's a job and you have to keep up the professionalism - take the rough with the smooth....you'll be much happier for it.

A bit disheartening
 

Hello,

I also had the congrats email recently and now waiting for the phone interview. I totally agree with you Mr. 24609... Quite a few of the posts in this threat are a bit disheartening. Looking forward to reading the insight of anyone that has taken the leap to Oz. Good luck guys.

I did my online tests last Friday(15th) but I haven't received news if I passed or failed yet. Is this normal to wait a week for results? I would've thought as it was an online test that there would be a required standard to meet and it would be an instant process to inform you if you had met that standard or not. It did feel strange and a little annoying having to do those tests again but like the previous poster wrote - you have to take the rough with the smooth.

I took an experienced controller position with ASA a few years ago. I guess all areas of the ANSP will be different but the team I work with are excellent. Each ANSP seems to have its share of grumblers attached with golden handcuffs and they tend to be the most vocal on sites like these.

To those looking at ASA as an option, take opinions posted here with a grain of salt. ASA is just another ANSP. It sure beats working in the real world for a living.

@ Mr 24609. Very sensible post. It is good to remind those things before complaining about our jobs.

agree with 24609. Some posts on here, particularly in the beginning were quite negative and would have been easy to doubt a move to Oz was the right option. However, it does seem to be the same naysayers (which the UK most definitely has itself). The job is the job and i think you'll stumble across both new and the same issues/opportunities as you do back home. Which leaves the only variable in my mind of whether i want to live in Australia or not. I dont think anyone of us would have applied if that probably wasnt the most appealing factor in all of this

Hawkeye456,

That probably depends on who wins the next ashes series...

Anyone who applies and comes out will be welcomed with open arms.

:ok: Looking forward...

Hi!

I got the email for the online testing. Just wanted to post it so that anyone that hasn´t still received any news doesn´t lose Hope (in Spain, that´s the last thing you want to lose always ...).

Now, let´s see if I can find a quiet morning, with the kids at school and the wife shopping, so I can relax and take the online tests.

Dió!