NATS Training Section
 

Has anyone out there noticed just how top heavy NATS training section has become with middle management of all kinds?

The amalgamation of all three training centres in the South should have provided opportunities for some thinning out of management grades but that doesn't seem to have happened. In fact cronyism and self interest prevail and jobs are simply created out of nowhere!!

They've got a manager for everything but the service to their customers is no better for it. I feel sorry for the guys and girls on the 'shopfloor' who get to enact all of their management's daft plans to stay in a job!

It's rumoured that they can't even attract ATCO instructors to the simulators any longer because they're all so fed up with being messed around.

It seems to me that if NATS are serious about cutting costs then management could take a long hard look at themselves before meddling with everyone else.

Plenty of ATCO sim instructors available via Capita... ;)

Ah, Capita, - yes.......
They have just written to me informing me that my property is now "under investigation" for not possessing a valid TV Licence. :E

do you still need those things in the UK? If yes, what percentage actually bother with it?
In Oz they abandoned them about 40 years ago, as there was such a high percentage did not pay it.
Sorry about being off topic, but looking to move to UK for 2 years in about 3 years and interested to know.

Very much so; our streets are patrolled by detector vans which can triangulate where a TV is being watched then cross check whether they have a valid licence.
Revenue is passed on to the BBC who waste it on paying unnecessary managers, programming and overpaid TV 'celebrities'(well they think they're celebrities anyway).

Chevvron....really?...I reckon your tinfoil hat needs a top up of peanut butter:= :p

Ah Morrisons 'Value' peanut butter, nice and chunky, only 37p a jar.

Thats no way to talk about Jonathan Woss, worth every million

Doesn't work for the BBC any more (doesn't work period in my opinion) but I bet the BBC are paying him compensation for terminating his contract; that's another way they waste money.

chevvron, I wonder, does the Capita operative doing the triangulation wear a 'cocked hat'? :ok:

From ATC training to Jonathan Woss in 7 moves, not bad. :D

If the OP's post is true then I'd suggest those down south take a look at the training section at PC.

Thanks to my involvement with EFD I've spent a lot of time in there of late and it's extremely lean, well managed, customer focussed and wins plaudits across the company consistently for what it delivers.

Of course, because it's up north, it also seems to be treated as a poor relation to the aforementioned resource-heavy behemoth that is the southern campus. Fancy that.

Do you mean Wick....or EGPX?

<<customer focussed >>

Sorry me old... but that sounds awfully like management yukspeak!

He's probably been on a course.

In 1973 at a GATCO organised Pilot-ATCO forum, much to the horror of a senior CAA Manager present, I heard a Prestwick ATCO tell everyone that the further north you came, the older & poorer were the ATC facilities & equipment. This was at a time when Gailes had 1950's radars & Airways was still in the ancient Redbrae House.

Has anything changed in nearly 40 years ? :confused:

Does Wick even have a training section? :E

I'm not really one for courses Loki. Unless we're talking golf, of course.

Eric T - it would appear not. That's progress for you.

Tigersaw; I wasn't specifically referring to Jonathon Woss; look at Alan Hansen, £1.5M pa for a couple of hours a week during the footy season only; if that's not wasting money what is?

Anything to do with foot ball is expensive. I resent every penny of my licence fee that goes towards paying megabucks to watch a bag of wind going from one end of a field to another.

HD

May be it is yukspeak...but it's true. You only have to look at what they have done to the ATSA EFD training package to see what "customer focus" looks like.

Keep up the good work guys.

OK. I'm afraid I never considered aeroplanes to be "customers". I just provided the best service I could whatever language the "suits" used!