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eastern wiseguy 11th Mar 2012 15:19

I don't recall when you retired HD,but NATS has changed beyond all recognition over the past 10 or so years. It is not the organisation that I joined back in 1978.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 11th Mar 2012 15:47

So I'm told EW.. Great shame. I retired 9 years ago.

LEGAL TENDER 11th Mar 2012 19:44


I just provided the best service I could whatever language the "suits" used!
we still do.

A lot of organisations have changed since 1978. Not just Nats.
Perhaps the business model from 1978 was never going to be sustainable. It had to change at some point and it certainly has!
Not that I am a big fan of Nats in 2012, but do you guys really think it's much better elsewhere?

ZOOKER 11th Mar 2012 20:22

Why not ask those who have gone to Canada and Abu Dhabi?
Some great people, who, sadly, don't seem in a great hurry to return.
- A shame.

eastern wiseguy 11th Mar 2012 20:25


Perhaps the business model from 1978 was never going to be sustainable. It had to change at some point and it certainly has!
Don't misunderstand me I know that the model we had had to change. The difference is startling and particularly if.like HD.you have retired it can be difficult to take in the scale of change.

Not everything is a change for the worse....but there is an awful lot of BS as well.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 11th Mar 2012 21:03

<<the business model>>

More management yukspeak.

Tigersaw 11th Mar 2012 21:58

I've actually lost track of who I work for nowadays.
It was the CAA, Then NATS, Then NATS but a different NATS, Then NSL, Now NATS again, but one of a selection box of different NATS.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 12th Mar 2012 08:59

And further back... Min of Av, Board of Trade, Dept of This, That and the other.....

obwan 12th Mar 2012 09:22

I used to work for natCs, the C stood for control and if you ask me things were never the same when the image consultants, or whoever it was dropped the C.

Avoiding_Action 12th Mar 2012 15:31

NAT C's???

Talkdownman 12th Mar 2012 16:21

Yup, NATCS...
Heady days...

055166k 12th Mar 2012 17:30

Fila
 
Don't know where you heard that the College was short of instructors...pay has gone up massively in the last two years.....now a cool £100k p.a. job.

ZOOKER 12th Mar 2012 18:28

And they'll soon need every penny to purchase water from folk oop north. :E

Spitoon 12th Mar 2012 18:29


...a cool £100k p.a.
That should ensure that they're good instructors too!

chevvron 12th Mar 2012 19:03

What you mean paying such a ridiculous salary will guarantee they don't get deadbeats who only instruct because they're useless at controlling?

ZOOKER 12th Mar 2012 19:27

Nah,
it's just that, traditionally, you have to pay 'big bucks' to attract ATCOs to work in a semi-arid environment. :}

Good job the head of training has some experience in the piping of water. :E

The "Southern Campus" should sail through this crisis with Flying Colours*. :ok:

*Wonder what happened to them?

Spitoon 12th Mar 2012 20:10


...traditionally, you have to pay 'big bucks' to attract ATCOs to work in a semi-arid environment.
Ahhhh, sorry, with you now. At first, when you said semi-arid, I was thinking you meant culturally!

yates 15th Mar 2012 14:00

If, hypothetically, one was already a qualified Instructor and wanted to be a full time instructor with NATS, who, hypothetically, might one contact?
Is it all done via Capita or are there ways to circumnavigate that route (hypothetically of course).:cool:

yates 15th Mar 2012 14:42

Crikey! I'm almost there!:p


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