Prospect decide to pull away from NATS Working Together
 

ATCO Branch to withdraw from Working Together Agreement

some would say about time?

I would :ok:

It's been a one way street since it started and all it's acheived is helping management get their bonuses, at the expense of the workers who do all the graft for no similar reward.

About time we stopped pulling them out the mire time after time and now let them sink due to their own incompetence and lack of skills.

Let's not get too excited (much as I want to), but the result of the pay ballot isn't due til this Friday or possibly even Monday. We'll look a bit stupid ranting about pulling the 'Working Together' agreement if a majority of sheep vote Yes.

On the whole though, YEEEEHHAAAA!

Better late than never I suppose...I feel that most of the damage, unfortunately, has already been done though.

Is the ATSS group following the ATCO group out the door? :confused:

RS

Why not, the more the merrier.

Its about time! Its this Prospect growing some balls??

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I doubt the RB will be bothered too much. They have achieved their objective of lowering employees expectations. Job done.
Prospect ?? Too little too late.

I'm sure managment are not going to lose any sleep over this, it was obvious that it was only working one way from the start, they will just carry on doing what what they started, just a bit more huff and puff from the union. And if NSL thinkl that NERL are going to take any firm action on their behalf then forget it now, a few letters of support is what you'll get

It's a start, but long overdue - people have been saying for ages that 'Working Together' was all one way.

Bear in mind this has come from the union that recommended acceptance of the pay deal whilst the company bleated poverty and forked out a multi million pound dividend.

Management will not lose any sleep over this whatsoever, the real test (of the union) will come if its membership ever votes 'No' to a management proposal.

As an aside, does anyone know of any other unions that can represent us? Can new unions be started for this purpose??

Union recognition
 

If you want to get a new union involved, first you would have to get Prospect derecognised (if such a word exists) - see my post of 30 March: http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/358...ml#post4826396
Then you would have to go through the reverse process to get another union recognised. This might be a tedious exercise without management cooperation - they might see divide and rule as a good option. Remember that in the interregnum, there won't be any recognised union (for what that's worth).

nats working together
 

Well i seem to have touched a nerve Jonny B , iam only saying things as i see them having been in the company for over 25 years, lets not kid ourselves that we are all together, i did not mean that NERL will shaft NSL , only that if terms and conditions are changed in NSL only, why to you assume action will be taken, so the SDC said, well i've heard plenty from the union. lets think back now at what point did the union tell the membership that the final salary scheme was only was only for those in the company at the time of ppp mmmmm. i seem to remember them saying only an act of parliament can change it. also i was reminded the other day by an ATSA of a few years back, when PROSPECT did a deal with MANAGMENT, over the SAMOS, and PCS has to threaten to take court action, and PCS were told by PROSPECT just a mis understanding, and when managment changed the redundancy terms 2 years ago, the union said dont worry there won't be many! i think ATSA readers might not agree now,

luv pringles
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Are you telling porkies about your age..39..???:confused: or is that Jonny B good??

TGWU may be a fair bet....as a former member, they don't stand for any nonsense.

I say RMT:ok:

As much as Bob Crowe and the tube strikes annoy the public, and inconvienienced me last week, appart from the safety issues they walked out on (which I dissagreed with), trying to tie down the TFL drivers to a 5year paydeal based on whats going on now with the economy is ludicrous, I know we arent being offered a deal this long, but I would much rather him and his team negotiating for us.

Pleased that this Working Together bo**ocks is going though, seems to be all give from our side and take from mangement. Looking forward to seeing the yearly results end of this month.............once the paydeal ballot has closed, coincidence eh........:ugh:

I don't think Paul Barron & Ian Mills will be particularly upset about the ATCO branch withdrawing from the Working Together Agreement.

They are not daft, I imagine they know exactly what savings they want to make in the Ops rooms and they will go about it in a methodical manner.

Unlike previous managements they are simply not scared of ATCOs; they will have walked around the Ops rooms and seen ATCOs dressed for the beach in their long shorts and flip flops.

I have heard rumours that a couple of ATCOs are trying to set up a breakaway Union.

Don't know how true or feasible that is. Surely they would have to speak to others to find out if there is any level of support for it?

Probably just bluff, but who knows?

Hmmmm...where do I sign up?:E

As for "long shorts and flip flops"....have you considered the fact that most ATCOs couldn't give a **** what Management think when it comes to dress code? There isn't one. Full stop. End of.
I will however go out of my way, particularly in summer, to make myself look as scruffy as is humanly possible when I go to CTC because I know it pisses them all off... "Look at the scruffy ATCO, what a disgrace"...yeah, get ****ed office monkey.

Thanks for that, although I presume you are not branding the whole of CTC based workers/employees with this slogan?

Are you an engineer? If so I wouldnt count you as an office monkey :ok:

Do I really need to explain? See above.

Not wanting to get into an argument I just thought I'd make the point and be a bit defensive.
I realise you're only refering to managment types, but feeling defensive at the moment, just like to make it clear that I don't think anyone I know at the CTC really cares how scruffy you look, certainly not me, I think they're just surprised that's all. I've seen a few CTC based workers who appear more scruffy than any ATCO I've seen mind; they do look out of place - strangley they always seem to be union members!
There's a time and a place; if you have a meeting with external clients and you have to give a good impression, then there's obviously a need to look smart. An ATCO at the CTC for training, I don't think people really care.

Please don't think that the majority of workers at the CTC think the same way as upper management. There's internal politics that has to be played to get anywhere, but that's another thread...

BTW, I'm not an engineer; I get paid much less. :(
Ho hum, better decide how I'm going to vote.

Point taken 11K. You pretty much summed up the aim of my post, meant only as a bit of fun anyway.:ok:

I seem to remember one of the first truces or tvcs ran at ctc after the move to swanwick from WD and somebody mentioned to whoever was running the course that the standard of dress could be improved.
This is second hand information , but the source is reliable.

mr.777
mr.777
Really?

You think comparing people who work in offices to monkeys can be classed as a bit of fun?

I've heard worse, at least as a monkey there is some salvation of the human form!!! :ok:

Back to the pay deal..Pay peanuts and you get monkeys! (or elelphants):p

Sorry..couldn't resist..it was meant light hearted before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon.:p

any chance we could get back on topic?? I really don't give a stuff about ATCOs being scruffy and am bored with persistent CTC bashing by people who don't understand (or don't want to understand) the business functions carried out there. Thanks.

Jonny B Good's post mentioned an ATSS BEC this week but the post has gone. I can't find the date elsewhere, does anyone else know? What would happen if one branch pulls out of Working Together but the other stays in - the letter to management was related to unilateral action by NATS affecting ATCO branch interests only. Does Prospect keep a united front as Prospect, or do the separate section representation make their own mind up? It would seem daft to do the latter if the vote goes the way I hope and we may actually need to stand up as one force. But then why wasn't the letter to management a joint letter from the two Prospect branches and PCS...:confused:

RS

That would be akin to the end of the world :eek:
(and play straight into managements hands)
IMHO

Do you think that ATCOs wearing "long shorts" (whatever they are) and "flip flops" has ANYTHING to do with Prospect puliing out of the working together agreement??:ugh:

mr.777

A diversionary question :)


If you re read my original post you’ll see I never said long shorts and flip flops had anything to do with the ATCOs withdrawing from the working together agreement.

My post doubted NATS’s senior management would be too concerned at this turn of events and the reference to beach wear being worn in the Ops room was made after the observation that unlike previous managements Paul Barron & Co. weren’t scared of ATCOs.

Now, back to your monkey comment; please explain how comparing a group of workers to monkeys can be considered a bit of fun.

You are talking utter rubbish. I see you have downgraded it now from long shorts (still waiting for you to enlighten us as to what the difference is between them and shorts) and flip flops to "beachwear"...brilliant. I think you'll find you created the diversion by spouting this nonsense.

From Urban Dictionary...office monkey: "A person employed in an office". Thats it. No reference to animals...or did you think it was something i just made up off the top of my head?:ugh: For the record, I have plenty of friends who work in offices and have absolutely no problem being referred to as office monkeys.

Mods, apologies for thread hijack, I believe he's got his answer now:rolleyes:

To get back to the thread topic. NATS management must be quaking in their boots, they have probably achieved all that they wanted to.

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www.crapunion.co.uk

Kaboodle.........


Brilliant....the "Not Airway" for the noughties...:ok::ok::ok:

Kaboodle - that's fantastic, best laugh I've had in years.
Surprised there isn't an ad in the 'Wanted' section for 16 revolving doors to be fitted to GM's offices.

SN

you should send in an email to [email protected] with suggestions - the web owner might just add stuff - it certainly indicates that on the website...

Wonder what the subscription fees will be :}

Outstanding job...whoever is responsible for that website gave everybody this morning a good laugh and brightnened up an otherwise boring Sunday morning....now, where do I sign up?:}

with regard to the withdrawing from working together,

'oh my god!, the horses have escaped...someone lock the d..'


oh, never mind you get the picture

:ugh:

Prospects idea of withdrawing from "working together" is to hand back the tube of KY jelly-we will still be shafted but more painfully.:uhoh: