IAA ATC Positions
 

Months of debate.....

Positions advertised.....

CVs submitted.....

Competition closed.....

And....

Nothing

contact
 

Did you receive any correspondance from IAA HQ?
If so, from who?

Are you guys talkihng about direct entry experienced controller positions or the ab initio ones?
Experienced postitions still available, ab initio's...there were 32 of them started in March this year.

Considering the IAA only advertised in one edition of Flight International, I'm suprised you saw it. It's seems like they are not too interested in looking for direct entries and only put the ad up to placate the staff. A crock of s*** if ever you saw one.

Well i think it was in more than one edition of flight international-two editions maybe:uhoh:

It does appear that they were not too interested in spreading the word about 14-16 full time permanent and pensionable jobs hiring guys who are pre-trained and qualified. Maybe the IAA want to spend the extra cash on students who 1)can be moulded as the want! 2) pay them less and with much worse pension entitlements and then start looking to screw the rest of staff after that.

But over 50 CV's were received which is encouraging. If you haven't received any confirmation of your application pick up the phone and start asking questions-after all the IAA does stuff things up every now and again!!!!.
And anyone who is flying thru Iaa airspace these days is quite likely to hear canadian,aussie and ruskie accents on the freq's.

Good to hear.

How wrong you are.......
 

Over 100,yes 100 applications received for the direct entry positions.9 contract controllers have been accepted,with the applications for the permanent positions currently being accessed.32 ab initio trainees are currently in training.There are also numerous retirees that have been re-hired as instructors,thus releasing operational ATCO's back into the live enviornment.:ok:

NO!
 

A few days ago Ireland said NO to Lisbon.

If we could agree that all political issues are just money matters than you could read it as: As long as we have received money from others, EU was ok,now when we should give money to others than NO!:E

IAA also offers competitive package. Work till die. NO holidays,NO days off,NO rest....:}

ATCOs are NOt Polish plumbers. But you will treat them as such. :ugh:

that is the reason why I say NO to Dublin,but
YES to Lisbon. :D

singa
 

What exactly are you on?
Have you been taking the blue pills again?

@divingduck,
Nothing especially, Just my thoughts why IAA could be wrong option in life. For qualified atcos,of course. Some other places seems to be better. Sorry if my post was confused. I had no such intention.

SINGAPURCANAC
If you communicate orally as you write, you'd fail the ICAO English requirements for most positions. Try the red pills.

Maybe
 

Just to put some perspective on IRLATCOs views, Maybe(only maybe)9 contract ATCOs have been accepted - source? but currently, there are only 4 contract controllers being trained in Shannon, 2 on OJT the other 2 still doing theory. I dont know about Dublin, but i would be very surprised if there were 5 training there now.

35 Cadets have just finished their basic theory. The first check outs in the live environment will be late Summer 2009, at the earliest.

The IAA seem to be dragging their heels on the permanent ATCO positions. Maybe it's something to do with the aviation downturn. Maybe they're stalling for time.Maybe they're hedging on not having to recruit 20 odd controllers on permanent contracts, and only expose themselves to 3 year deals only. Maybe i'm being cynical. Maybe i've worked for them long enough to know how they operate.
In any case, the staffing situation is not much better than before. I agree that re-hiring the retirees has helped. But the Cadets are now being split into groups of 6, meaning more instructors needed, so in nett terms there are still Operational Atcos being sent to the Training School to instruct. Tomorrow (June 16) will see at least 5 extra controllers from Operations taken off the roster, starting in the school.
I feel that all that has happened is that we are currently chronically understaffed, as opposed to having been terminally understaffed 3 months ago.
The overtime scheme has been undersubscribed - quelle surprise!
So the requirement for Staff asap is still there. Why is it taking so long?

Maybe I'm missing something, maybe i am cynical, maybe i'm right! hope not!

@TC
If I had ever known English ,I would have never been an ATCO!:E

But here,English is not point . It was more about general conditions,society, company and locals as well.

As far as I am aware there are no contract or direct entries in Dublin at the moment and no indication of when they are coming. That plus the fact that a lot of people are showing interest in postions overseas would suggest that staffing is gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.

IAA, where the f*** are those extra controllers that you promised.

Gathered with the ATCs that Airservices promised

Rumours that 3 contract staff will start training in Dublin in July.

Believe when we see.

Direct Entry Numbers......
 

The figures I have at hand are 7 contract controllers for Shannon and 2 for Dublin.4 are training at the moment in Shannon and the rest will start within 8 weeks.These numbers may increase,especially for Shannon,as the months progress.To the best of my knowledge Dublin are adequately staffed now.Perhaps one of our colleagues from Dublin could try and debate that one for us.:confused:

IRLATCO, stick to what you know. Dublin has been short staffed for years. We have less staff now than we had during the dispute. Four on maternity leave, three long term off the roster due illness, one ATCO doing roster even though he has a rating, a new roster which is being abused by management (and staff) already. Project work being farmed out to private companies because management cant release staff from the roster. Promised new staff nowhere to be seen. As usual Shannon gets everything first. Better Managers obviously. People asked to do overtime, even though they have not volunteered to do it. Covering Data Assistants sick leave. Station Managers who have no direction on how to work the overtime scheme. Dublin is bottom of the pile in the IAA even though it is the public face of the IAA. I could keep going but enough said for the moment. Calming down now.

Now hear ye......
 

Exactly the answer that I was endeavoring to provoke.So you do indeed have the exact same problems as your Shannon colleagues.Well then lets debate them together and let those that frequent this forum know exactly how our beloved IAA have continued to give it to us up the shi:mad::mad:er.Our endeavors at the start of the year appear to have been fruitless.Its time yet again to rally the troops.Let the games begin.............

Shannon controllers feel that Dublin controllers have better conditions. How long are Dublin's fatigue breaks ? for example. I think both stations are finding it tough. IAA dragging their heels in their half hearted efforts to recruit more staff. EB putting pressure on local management to make do with what few resources they have and hopefully we'll all muddle our way through another hectic summer keeping the profit margin's up.. We definitely need to be making more noise about the current situation, whether you work in Dublin Shannon or Funderland!!!

30mins, just like yours?

Of course, while Dublin staff were establishing the principle of fatigue breaks some of your colleagues were happy to sacrifice them in favour of Off Time. Can't have your cake and eat it...

Dublin is short staffed and under resourced, ask any of the staff transferred to Dublin with SNN approach how long they will wait for a second rating...in some cases SCPs in DUB have waited six years to obtain second ratings while former classmates in the school who remained in SNN obtained three.

One of the arguments advanced by HQ re. staffing in DUB is that with the transfer of 14 staff to man SNN approach we have enough staff in the station, yet nobody seems willing to provide the resources to train those staff in DUB positions. Meanwhile one DUB tower controller routinely provides leave in CRK and a number of the SNN approach contingent have to travel to CRK to remain valid in CRK approach. :ugh:

Listen up...........
 

Make noise boys and girls.We all know what can happen when we do.Mandate our executive to both keep us all informed and ensure management adhere to the agreement.Failure to do so should incur the wrath of us all.We have all taken too much s:mad:it for far too long,in ALL stations.We are not schoolkids nor do we act like schoolkids and accordingly should not be treated like juveniles.What we are is a group of professionals being managed by a group of amateurs.This forum has paid handsome dividends in the past.How many of us are still unable to access PPRUNE at work?

Not Yet.
True. '' SOME'' a minority of staff still can't see the light. Fatigue breaks are far more important than off time. Not that there is much of that available.
Under utilisation of staff is a massive problem within the IAA both in Shannon and Dublin. Many controllers are looking for extra ratings and are constantly being knocked back while the IAA cherry pick who goes forward for what course and who get's chosen for expert duties. There is no make , shape or sense to the process in which ratings and duties are handed out. Coupled with that the IAA still don't know WTF to do with LOw Level. The plan changes weekly.
Mis management and lack of resources is a significant contributing factor to the low morale at both stations. Basically staff are saying '' if you don't want to make use of me, Your loss''.

IRLATCO,

I'm a little confused as to what we have been doing so far :confused:. We put up a fuss, we got the union to represent us. And what exactly did it get us. A few extra bob that we did'nt want.

A few extra controllers that are conspicuous by their absence. And the knowledge that if the union and management throw some green our way we'll back down. As far as I can see the last few months were a complete waste of time. Management still have'nt changed.

We all know that they will never take our threats seriously, after all we backed down over the strike issue once we saw the cash.

Let's face it, we got treated like crap, and we're still getting treated like crap. So forgive me if I don't share your optimistic outlook but I for one have lost all faith in the union's ability to handle this.

Good luck to you all but personally I don't give a s:mad: anymore.

Questions need to be asked about the IAA's handling of its direct recruitment campaign.
I would agree with this comment to a degree because management have reneged on and mis-interpreted agreements.
[. Management still haven't changed but the controllers attitudes have. Dublin controllers initiative in the last dispute was the catalyst for the galvanisation of all IAA controllers.
I share in your disappointment bro but if we let the negativity creep in we're all fooked.The easiest thing to do is blame the union but would we swap seats with them? No chance! One thing we do have is the power to change our representatives. I think they were conned though . We were all sold another IAA puppy.
you and the rest of us.
Many lessons were learned from the last dispute. It was a real eye opener for all controllers to witness the desperate measures used by the IAA to F:mad:ck their staff over!

Happy or not?
 

What are the numbers like now in Dublin?
Shannon is in dire straits again.The roster is consistently running understaffed and there appears to be no effort whatsoever to implement any form of flow control.We would appear to be back where we were several months ago,yet no one seems to be batting an eyelid.What the hell are we doing?:ugh:

Minus one since the Spring Riots.

Still, on the bright side, at least the radar shouldn't crash for another four thousand years. We will probably be fully staffed by then.

You guys sure don't make it sound very appealing to work for IAA. I applied but I am having second thoughts. You won't get any more staff if you keep scaring people off.

you smell like management
 

Healey, any prospective employee would be very grateful for the insight into what is actually going on here. You have got to weigh up the pros and cons. Any controller who is making his decision , after one posting, is very strange. If after ,alot of thought and investigation, you decide it's best not to come here, that's fine. You need to talk to the controllers on the ground before making a decision. Any controller ,with an ounce of common sense ,would have found a contact within the IAA inc direct entries already working here and spoken, at length, with them. , Elaborate , what have you heard about the IAA? I will verify if you are right or wrong as will my colleagues. Don't bother sending me a pm . Get it out into the open . Let me know what you thought of the recruitment campaign and how your application has been dealt with.. You claim to be a prospective employee , yet you only have one posting. You don't actually smell like management.
You stink like management!

Management, Jeez why not call me a leper while your at it!! I do have a contact in Shannon and his reports seem fine. As to how my application is/has been dealt with, I have heard basically nothing other than they are shortlisting and we will hear in due course. Not exactly rushing things. It has been over a month since applications closed. I know of others here who have also heard nothing. Meantime DFS seem more interested in my services.......

IAA Management take note
 

In case anyone is in any doubt. Most, if not all ,IAA managers watch this forum. Come on lads , it's becoming more and more apparent that you couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Hey Verci,
It is indeed greener, but haven't had the chance to go salmon or trout fishing yet!
But a good craic it is!!

IAA service conditions
 

I have recently applied for the direct entry position of area radar control. Am still waiting to hear from IAA.
Could any of you please tell me where I could expect to be deployed, and secondly, what type of salary could I expect to be paid if I bring eight years of area radar control experience. Any outline of other benefits would also be appreciated.

Thanks!!

Any applicants out there, check your email inboxes.

Inbox checked. Empty. Now what?

galliwalli
 

The current policy is pay commensurate with experience. Every year of experience equates to a corresponding point on the pay scale. We have 18 points on the scale. 8 years is point 8 on scale which is about €80k not including public holidays ( if worked ). We're nearing the end of pay negotiations. I'll pm more accurate info if i can find it.
Area radar = Shannon
App = Dublin.
Other benefits mmmmmmmmmmmm, you get to work in Ireland.

Despite everything posted here and on other threads, we're nice people to work with - mostly!

benefits
 

you get to work with us
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you get to live here
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I wouldn't be so certain.

We have 17 people rated for Shannon APP in Dublin [1 position]
I'd say 50+ people rated for Dublin APP [usually 1 position, 2 with a holding controller]
In a sectorised environment we need 5 AREA ratings in position.

The one thing we don't need is APP!

Last I heard there will be an AREA rating course for some direct entries in Dublin, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the contract staff are TWR.

Current AREA shortages are being covered by call-ins.

Sniff sniff....sniff sniff...
 

Was I dreaming about some back pay due to us!!! Ya see, I'm in a bit of a rush to get it!!!!

backpay
 

think we all have it spent already

I'd never do such a thing...............!!!!:=:=