Non-english speaking pilots
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I am flying all across europe for my job, and so far, I found ATC in English OK, except in Italia and Spain ....
Forget : We have a special word for Potato : Pommes de terres or Patate, the last one could also be used to describe an idiot.
Forget : We have a special word for Potato : Pommes de terres or Patate, the last one could also be used to describe an idiot.
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DC10RealMan, there are 6 ICAO official languages:
English, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese and French!
English, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese and French!
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Being based in the UAE(dubai,abu dhabi etc) we get more than our fair share of ex aeroflot crates flying for non descript "airlines" that change name every time the roubles run out.
From personal experience while their english is bad at least they try. I'd take one of these guys over an Air France who thinks his english is perfect speaks a million miles an hour and gets the entire readback wrong.
Also I would take Vladimir and his mates over Chuck Chunder from the U S of A who because his country owns the world precludes him from using those pink things stuck to the side of his head, until at least the third call to him, and also precludes him from reading back anything other than a drawled "Roger" or "Wilco".
Also can anyone confirm that in Russia the R/T is all done in Russian cos that would describe the odd STAR clearance readback in Ruski (which by the way I think I understood more than the subsequent English readback).
From personal experience while their english is bad at least they try. I'd take one of these guys over an Air France who thinks his english is perfect speaks a million miles an hour and gets the entire readback wrong.
Also I would take Vladimir and his mates over Chuck Chunder from the U S of A who because his country owns the world precludes him from using those pink things stuck to the side of his head, until at least the third call to him, and also precludes him from reading back anything other than a drawled "Roger" or "Wilco".
Also can anyone confirm that in Russia the R/T is all done in Russian cos that would describe the odd STAR clearance readback in Ruski (which by the way I think I understood more than the subsequent English readback).
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Funnly enough just read an article in todays pilot that state that since all r/t in Russia is in russian then you have to speak the language or you are not alowed to go solo, still try to figure out how they deal with international flights.
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Ah Ah!! Another example of narrow mindedness throughout this thread....
Well.... It is a shame that in other countries, they speak a different language! How dare they!!
Everybody should speak English, but the brits are not very good at learning other languages, to say the least!!
So instead of criticising the French or the Spanish controllers and their accents, maybe some of you should try to learn these languages.... I am sure the controllers would laugh
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Well.... It is a shame that in other countries, they speak a different language! How dare they!!
Everybody should speak English, but the brits are not very good at learning other languages, to say the least!!
So instead of criticising the French or the Spanish controllers and their accents, maybe some of you should try to learn these languages.... I am sure the controllers would laugh
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Fancy Navigator, the point of the thread is that in the countrys we work in (ie. most of the world) English is the required language to be used in R/T. The argument is that if these foreign pilots are to fly into airspace where English is a requirement then it is imperitave for safety that they speak English adequately. Your post seemed to have missed the point all together.
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AirNoService;
Probably you get the roger or wilco is because in the US, execept for hold short and clearances, none others need to be read back other than an acknowlegement with call sign and roger or wilco.
As to not listening, yeah that is indeed a problem. Seem to be busy working on the next bid schedule or the stock quotes.
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Probably you get the roger or wilco is because in the US, execept for hold short and clearances, none others need to be read back other than an acknowlegement with call sign and roger or wilco.
As to not listening, yeah that is indeed a problem. Seem to be busy working on the next bid schedule or the stock quotes.
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the subject was non-english speaking pilots...I presume there is a big difference between professionnal airliners pilots and non professionnal IFR or VFR pilots...Do you have problems with both of them?
is it just because of a funny pronounciation, or very different R/T ?
is it just because of a funny pronounciation, or very different R/T ?
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The pilots that prompted the thread were GA VFR. I was concerned that pilots flew to a country with little or no vocabulary. And little regard for procedures.
But it doe's, and has raised the issue of the language problem all over.
As I said before. I don't pretend that speaking another language is easy. And I wish I learnt another language. But Surely flying through foreign airspace and not being able to speak the lingo is like having no radio at all?
Lets just say there were several aircraft. Only one of the aircraft spoke English. The others could not speak a word that was remotely recognisable.
But it doe's, and has raised the issue of the language problem all over.
As I said before. I don't pretend that speaking another language is easy. And I wish I learnt another language. But Surely flying through foreign airspace and not being able to speak the lingo is like having no radio at all?
Lets just say there were several aircraft. Only one of the aircraft spoke English. The others could not speak a word that was remotely recognisable.
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well put. we do have enough trouble as brits pronouncing towns and villages.
The best advice I can give to any flyers is to use easily pronounced major towns (or preferably airfields as they are on the radar map) with simple names and give a radial/distance.
For initial ident it is alot easier to find someone who is 15miles NW of Cambridge than it is to find someone who reports 'turning overhead Steeple Gidding'
well put. we do have enough trouble as brits pronouncing towns and villages.
The best advice I can give to any flyers is to use easily pronounced major towns (or preferably airfields as they are on the radar map) with simple names and give a radial/distance.
For initial ident it is alot easier to find someone who is 15miles NW of Cambridge than it is to find someone who reports 'turning overhead Steeple Gidding'
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Lets not get too carried away with non-english speaking pilots not knowing what or how to say things.
Only the other day I was witness to the following R/T exchange:
Zone controller: "G- .., entering XXXXXXX controlled airspace, maintain Victor Mike Charlie"
Pilot: "G-.., err sorry I do not understand what you mean, can you help me?"
Now if that is not scary I don't know what is.
Only the other day I was witness to the following R/T exchange:
Zone controller: "G- .., entering XXXXXXX controlled airspace, maintain Victor Mike Charlie"
Pilot: "G-.., err sorry I do not understand what you mean, can you help me?"
Now if that is not scary I don't know what is.
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I have worked in Sweden, and the use of swedish in RT is a big problem, and the CAA is trying to do something about it. It's the GA pilots that are reluctant to change.
Here we often get a lot of german and swiss GA flights enorute to visit the north cape in the summer months. The germans is a nightmare, they have on occations flown in formation of up to 8 aircraft, where only the "lead" spoke english.
Now, that got quite interesting!
Here we often get a lot of german and swiss GA flights enorute to visit the north cape in the summer months. The germans is a nightmare, they have on occations flown in formation of up to 8 aircraft, where only the "lead" spoke english.
Now, that got quite interesting!
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It happens a lot.
I was a controller at a now-disbanded area radar unit during the days when our eastern-block friends first started to come to UK airshows. A pair of aircraft in Class A airspace, one english speaking pilot, formation goes IMC, lost-wingman, pairs split ............ NIGHTMARE.
Thats what makes controlling fun !!!
I was a controller at a now-disbanded area radar unit during the days when our eastern-block friends first started to come to UK airshows. A pair of aircraft in Class A airspace, one english speaking pilot, formation goes IMC, lost-wingman, pairs split ............ NIGHTMARE.
Thats what makes controlling fun !!!