Is it the CTR or the TMA?
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Is it the CTR or the TMA?
Hi all,
Is there an ICAO or EASA rule which stipulates which airspace prevails when a CTR is defined as being part of a TMA?
For example, the Maastricht CTR is defined as being from the surface to 3.000ft AMSL and the TMA from 1.500ft AMSL to FL95, and for a big part they are part of the same geographical area (the TMA does not exclude the CTR in its definition).
So, is the part between 1.500ft and 3.000ft AMSL in the CTR or in the TMA? Whose area of responsibility is this airspace?
I'm looking for a general rule, or perhaps something in the Dutch AIP which I am missing. The same situation occurs in other European countries too (at least Austria, Greece and Germany).
Thanks for your help!
Is there an ICAO or EASA rule which stipulates which airspace prevails when a CTR is defined as being part of a TMA?
For example, the Maastricht CTR is defined as being from the surface to 3.000ft AMSL and the TMA from 1.500ft AMSL to FL95, and for a big part they are part of the same geographical area (the TMA does not exclude the CTR in its definition).
So, is the part between 1.500ft and 3.000ft AMSL in the CTR or in the TMA? Whose area of responsibility is this airspace?
I'm looking for a general rule, or perhaps something in the Dutch AIP which I am missing. The same situation occurs in other European countries too (at least Austria, Greece and Germany).
Thanks for your help!
A CTR is normally Class D airspace but a TMA is usually B or C and A in the UK.
As the rules for entering these latter 3 types of airspace are stricter, they take priority
As the rules for entering these latter 3 types of airspace are stricter, they take priority
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Thanks for your reply, chevvron.
To make it a bit more complicated however, I will take the example of the LOWS CTR/TMA, both of which are the same class of airspace (D).
CTR: Surface - 7.000ft AMSL, class D
Controlling unit: Salzburg Tower
TMA: 1.000ft AGL - 3.500ft AMSL, class E
3.500ft AMSL - FL195, class D
Controlling unit: Salzburg Radar (Approach)
Whose airspace is the slice between 3.500ft and 7.000ft ?
To make it a bit more complicated however, I will take the example of the LOWS CTR/TMA, both of which are the same class of airspace (D).
CTR: Surface - 7.000ft AMSL, class D
Controlling unit: Salzburg Tower
TMA: 1.000ft AGL - 3.500ft AMSL, class E
3.500ft AMSL - FL195, class D
Controlling unit: Salzburg Radar (Approach)
Whose airspace is the slice between 3.500ft and 7.000ft ?
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Thank you both for your answers.
I understand that services can be provided remotely, and I agree that the name of the controlling unit can be completely unrelated to its location or the location of the airspace controlled (Frisbee tower controls Geilenkirchen airport).
Would the delegation of airspace be included only in the units' LoAs with each other? Should it not also be included in the AIP?
Let's say that a VFR flight wants to cross the CTR/TMA at 2.000ft from the west (Belgian class G airspace) to the east. Should the pilot contact EHBK TWR or EHBK APP?
To eliminate the difference in airspace classification, we could look at LOWS. There, both CTR and TMA are class D (between 3.500ft and 7.000ft) and the CTR is again within the TMA.
I had a look at Annex 11, and the only related thing which I found was this:
2.9.5.3 If a control zone is located within the lateral limits of a control area, it shall extend upwards from the surface of the earth to at least the lower limit of the control area.
Note.— An upper limit higher than the lower limit of the overlying control area may be established when desired.
So while it says that such a structure is possible, it does not resolve the ambiguity of the responsibility in the common airspace.
I understand that services can be provided remotely, and I agree that the name of the controlling unit can be completely unrelated to its location or the location of the airspace controlled (Frisbee tower controls Geilenkirchen airport).
Would the delegation of airspace be included only in the units' LoAs with each other? Should it not also be included in the AIP?
Let's say that a VFR flight wants to cross the CTR/TMA at 2.000ft from the west (Belgian class G airspace) to the east. Should the pilot contact EHBK TWR or EHBK APP?
To eliminate the difference in airspace classification, we could look at LOWS. There, both CTR and TMA are class D (between 3.500ft and 7.000ft) and the CTR is again within the TMA.
I had a look at Annex 11, and the only related thing which I found was this:
2.9.5.3 If a control zone is located within the lateral limits of a control area, it shall extend upwards from the surface of the earth to at least the lower limit of the control area.
Note.— An upper limit higher than the lower limit of the overlying control area may be established when desired.
So while it says that such a structure is possible, it does not resolve the ambiguity of the responsibility in the common airspace.
A CTR is normally Class D airspace but a TMA is usually B or C and A in the UK.
As the rules for entering these latter 3 types of airspace are stricter, they take priority
As the rules for entering these latter 3 types of airspace are stricter, they take priority
Actually, I would have thought that the formal notification of the airspace in the AIP would/should make it clear, even if it is hard work going through all the co-ordinates and "except that airspace contained within.." etc. After all, that is the definitive authority.
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Yes, the Tower is the unit responsible for the CTR and Approach is responsible for the TMA.
The situation at night is a bit clearer:
So basically, the CTR transforms into an RMZ at and below 1.500ft AMSL and above it is swallowed by the TMA. Dutch Mil is the controlling unit of the Maastricht TMA 1 outside the Tower's operating hours.
I was also expecting something along the lines of "The TMA is this except the airspace contained in the CTR", either in the definition of the TMA itself, or as a general rule, but I guess it's considered obvious!
The situation at night is a bit clearer:
Originally Posted by EHAM/A1497/19
Outside operating hours of Maastricht aachen airport(as published in the AIP Netherlands), the Maastricht CTR will change status to radio mandatory zone (RMZ).
The airspace classification within the RMZ will correspond to the surrounding airspace, GND-1500FT AMSL class G, 1500FT AMSL-3000FT AMSL class D. Air traffic service will be provided as defined for that airspace. Before entering the RMZ contact Amsterdam info on the beek tower frequency 119.480. The AIP Netherlands will be amended accordingly in due time.
REF AIP ENR 2.2.
The airspace classification within the RMZ will correspond to the surrounding airspace, GND-1500FT AMSL class G, 1500FT AMSL-3000FT AMSL class D. Air traffic service will be provided as defined for that airspace. Before entering the RMZ contact Amsterdam info on the beek tower frequency 119.480. The AIP Netherlands will be amended accordingly in due time.
REF AIP ENR 2.2.
I was also expecting something along the lines of "The TMA is this except the airspace contained in the CTR", either in the definition of the TMA itself, or as a general rule, but I guess it's considered obvious!
chevvron - can you quote chapter and verse for that statement?
Actually, I would have thought that the formal notification of the airspace in the AIP would/should make it clear, even if it is hard work going through all the co-ordinates and "except that airspace contained within.." etc. After all, that is the definitive authority.
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Actually, I would have thought that the formal notification of the airspace in the AIP would/should make it clear, even if it is hard work going through all the co-ordinates and "except that airspace contained within.." etc. After all, that is the definitive authority.
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Yes, the Tower is the unit responsible for the CTR and Approach is responsible for the TMA.
The situation at night is a bit clearer:
So basically, the CTR transforms into an RMZ at and below 1.500ft AMSL and above it is swallowed by the TMA. Dutch Mil is the controlling unit of the Maastricht TMA 1 outside the Tower's operating hours.
I was also expecting something along the lines of "The TMA is this except the airspace contained in the CTR", either in the definition of the TMA itself, or as a general rule, but I guess it's considered obvious!
The situation at night is a bit clearer:
So basically, the CTR transforms into an RMZ at and below 1.500ft AMSL and above it is swallowed by the TMA. Dutch Mil is the controlling unit of the Maastricht TMA 1 outside the Tower's operating hours.
I was also expecting something along the lines of "The TMA is this except the airspace contained in the CTR", either in the definition of the TMA itself, or as a general rule, but I guess it's considered obvious!
