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Old 21st Sep 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Newcastle is very interesting at the moment!
Why? Lack of staff?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:13
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Originally Posted by kcockayne
Isn’t that the case everywhere ? I spent 38 years in ATC & the vast majority - but not all - of the managers that I came across were of “ lesser ability” when it came to actual controlling .
Very true.

But the really important question is were they any good as managers?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 21:25
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Usually NO!
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 07:50
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Originally Posted by LookingForAJob
Very true.

But the really important question is were they any good as managers?
In my view, some of them were good managers. These tended to be the ones who delegated a lot of their tasks; or those who involved operational ATCOs in working/project groups. I suppose that the uncharitable would claim that this was because they were not “up to the job” themselves ! The last ten years , or so, of my career did involve myself & a lot of , what I would call, “good operational ATCOS” working closely with the SATCO on important projects. Nevertheless, there were still those “on the shop floor” who found fault with the individual concerned - principally because he was not fully doing the job that he was paid for ! You just can’t win !
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 06:29
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Haven't they got a controller they can promote to the post or is the manager not required to have an ATCO licence?
I don't know chevron. I believe LBA is still short-staffed (I seem to talk to the same voices every time I'm on duty) so there may be reluctance to divert an operational ATCO or WM from the tower to the office. The most recent ATSM was an ATCO but he was purely office only.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 12:05
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"In ATC, when heads roll, they roll uphill!" I think I'm quoting correctly from the long lost ATC magazine "On Watch" about fifty years ago, in turn quoting, I think, a Canadian source. You, Keith, should know how true that was, given the procession of the incompetent, the lying, the self-serving and the stupid we had to work with and for! I may not be the "Ace of the Base" but my career was blocked by a person I considered, with some justification and staff agreement, was most incompetent operational controller in history!
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 13:10
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Originally Posted by Jay Doubleyou
"In ATC, when heads roll, they roll uphill!" I think I'm quoting correctly from the long lost ATC magazine "On Watch" about fifty years ago, in turn quoting, I think, a Canadian source. You, Keith, should know how true that was, given the procession of the incompetent, the lying, the self-serving and the stupid we had to work with and for! I may not be the "Ace of the Base" but my career was blocked by a person I considered, with some justification and staff agreement, was most incompetent operational controller in history!
It was a well known saying when NATS was still part of the Civil Service (pre 1975) that you can't sack a civil servant so you promote them and post them.
My career was blocked by a person I considered, with some justification and staff agreement, was the most incompetent ATS manager in history.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 17:06
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Back on the subject of ATC jobs...

https://www.jobtrain.co.uk/newcastle...ik4KByh1lRR5h4

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Old 30th Sep 2019, 12:05
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Thanks for your PM last week! I thoroughly agree with what you said but didn't have much success in replying by private message, and I don't think I should say anything more on the public forum!
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 08:59
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And at Southend now:
ATCO
Head of ATS
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:28
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Originally Posted by Red Four
And at Southend now:
ATCO
Head of ATS
Brilliant thanks!
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:31
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Anyone know what's going on at Newcastle? Heard they were doing interviews this week.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 21:45
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They were advertising for a tower position and it seems to be the strangest situation. An ex colleague of mine said There was no Satco or training department member at the interview, it was carried out by HR and an operations manager. So no scenarios or sim runs.....
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 11:21
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Originally Posted by tcm1707
Anyone know what's going on at Newcastle? Heard they were doing interviews this week.
No, really, what IS going on at Newcastle???
Apparently they’ve appointed a new SATCO that is a single rated controller with less than 5 years ATC experience. Obvious not bothered about knowledge and experience, if you want to climb the ladder, head up there!!!!
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 12:31
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Not what you know..but who you know?
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 03:53
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Originally Posted by Digby15


No, really, what IS going on at Newcastle???
Apparently they’ve appointed a new SATCO that is a single rated controller with less than 5 years ATC experience. Obvious not bothered about knowledge and experience, if you want to climb the ladder, head up there!!!!
Someone has a grudge.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 08:30
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Im sure due diligence by the interview team has been done and the successful candidate has ticked all the appropriate boxes?
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 11:31
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Leeds/Bradford are hiring, does anybody know anything about the conditions there?
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 12:47
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Looking for a job.....Said it before but still valid - what matters is whether they can manage a unit....un quote,


However ,with less than five years experience and one rating...the candidate must have shown some amazing qualities to
impress and pass such an intense interview? Wonder if he/she can sort Brexit out for us all?
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 14:06
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Maybe no one out of the more experienced staff wants the job?

Besides. 5 years or thereabouts is plenty to be a SATCO.
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