Monday Pay Talks Deadline.......
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Good question........
Wouldn't it be nice if just for once we could find out direct from the Union rather than on here.
Whe ATCO's branch website has not been updated since 24th May and the main Prospect site has no mention of the pay negotiations since we voted to reject the offer.
So just how does the Union plan to communicate with its members?
I suspect we will only know when someone from work posts the contents of a circular in a day or two.
Why is communication so difficult for them?
Wouldn't it be nice if just for once we could find out direct from the Union rather than on here.
Whe ATCO's branch website has not been updated since 24th May and the main Prospect site has no mention of the pay negotiations since we voted to reject the offer.
So just how does the Union plan to communicate with its members?
I suspect we will only know when someone from work posts the contents of a circular in a day or two.
Why is communication so difficult for them?
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Expiditedecent...............
Wind your neck in...........
The meeting finished at 18:00.....so you can't expect too much information just at the moment.
It's quite clear from your previous posts that you have no experience of industrial procedures, the work place in general and you clearly have a very over inflated opinion of yourself. My guess is that you have no more than a few years radar under your belt and have virtually zero experience of the real world.
Try this...........instead of talking B******s on this site, why don't you get involved on the shop floor and start pushing for some of the changes you would like to see?
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SATCO
Wind your neck in...........
The meeting finished at 18:00.....so you can't expect too much information just at the moment.
It's quite clear from your previous posts that you have no experience of industrial procedures, the work place in general and you clearly have a very over inflated opinion of yourself. My guess is that you have no more than a few years radar under your belt and have virtually zero experience of the real world.
Try this...........instead of talking B******s on this site, why don't you get involved on the shop floor and start pushing for some of the changes you would like to see?
Regards
SATCO
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SATCO: Try and chill out a bit. People are only letting of a bit of steam because they are tired of feeling underpaid and undervalued. There is even a validity in some the points concerning communication. The vast majority of the ATCO's I work with are very unhappy with the information (or lack there-of) from Prospect, and I would tend to agree with them, though you may not. Resorting to personal attacks help no-one...we are all on the same team so lets not pull this down into some sort of 'cat fight'. (Oh, and I was a Rep. for a number of years and understand well 'The Industrial Relations Act, and Employment Relations Code of Practice') 
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more to the point as far as i was aware, the deadline for improved offer was the 11 july, therefore was expecting a ballot on whether to accept new pay offer or strike
when is an ultimatum not an ultimatum??
prof
when is an ultimatum not an ultimatum??
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If you don't have one, you should try to get Prospect to put together a members web site where all the info can be put out to everyone. That's one way that we do it over here. There is both verbal and written info on it. We normally get word out to the membership well before the govt. gets info out to the managers.
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SATCO.......
Bloody hell.......what was the point of that.......hit a few raw nerves eh????
Jeez, you make many assumptions, none of which are true, and have launched a pretty pathetic personal attack.
So you think that Union have no issues on communication then?
Prospect always get out information to its members in a timely and efficient manner?
For your information, provided your feeble mind can cope, I am a valid TC ATCO who has done plenty in the "Real World".......BTW what do you define as that?
Do you not live in the Real World?..............from your post looks like you spend more time up your own backside than interacting with "Real" people..............
Idiots like you frankly have no place in a team job.....and, as you got personal, I suspect you are:
An old git who believes nobody has a right to an opinion if it does not match your own........that healthy debate is a bad thing......that the union is above criticsism......anyone younger than you is of no use to anyone......and that everyone around you has to do things the way you want it done.
Get real, grow up and get the hint this is a place for EVERYONE to discuss their views and opinions..............resorting to an unprovoked personal attack in the way you did shows that while I may be younger than you, it is you who are acting like a child.
Oh, one final piece of info for you......as of this year I will be involved in the Union, and yes I will be pushing for change from the inside..........Happy now!
And why is there still no official word from the Union on yesterday's offer?
PS: Scott we do have such a site......it has not been updated since 24th May.......
Bloody hell.......what was the point of that.......hit a few raw nerves eh????
Jeez, you make many assumptions, none of which are true, and have launched a pretty pathetic personal attack.
So you think that Union have no issues on communication then?
Prospect always get out information to its members in a timely and efficient manner?
For your information, provided your feeble mind can cope, I am a valid TC ATCO who has done plenty in the "Real World".......BTW what do you define as that?
Do you not live in the Real World?..............from your post looks like you spend more time up your own backside than interacting with "Real" people..............
Idiots like you frankly have no place in a team job.....and, as you got personal, I suspect you are:
An old git who believes nobody has a right to an opinion if it does not match your own........that healthy debate is a bad thing......that the union is above criticsism......anyone younger than you is of no use to anyone......and that everyone around you has to do things the way you want it done.
Get real, grow up and get the hint this is a place for EVERYONE to discuss their views and opinions..............resorting to an unprovoked personal attack in the way you did shows that while I may be younger than you, it is you who are acting like a child.
Oh, one final piece of info for you......as of this year I will be involved in the Union, and yes I will be pushing for change from the inside..........Happy now!
And why is there still no official word from the Union on yesterday's offer?
PS: Scott we do have such a site......it has not been updated since 24th May.......
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I hear the meeting has had to continue through until today. The last pennies are being extracted. Vote to be arranged shortly.
Even if the offer turns out to be c**p nobody will be able to say the negotiators didn't give it their best shot. I'm intreagued to see what has changed so much since that nice Mr Eveready sent us all a letter.
Even if the offer turns out to be c**p nobody will be able to say the negotiators didn't give it their best shot. I'm intreagued to see what has changed so much since that nice Mr Eveready sent us all a letter.
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Word on the street indictes that another meeting has been scheduled for this afternoon (tuesday), to finally put the last pieces of the jig saw together.
How about 10% over 2 years as an opening gambit?
I would like to pass on my thanks to all the negotiators, whatever the outcome is.
I would imagain communications will come from 'Prospect House' once management and union agree on the final wording of the final offer.
How about 10% over 2 years as an opening gambit?
I would like to pass on my thanks to all the negotiators, whatever the outcome is.
I would imagain communications will come from 'Prospect House' once management and union agree on the final wording of the final offer.
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congrats on your reply to SHATCO, obviously a complete ****, perhaps a friend of that other ppruning cretin alpha control.
As has been said, not the job for ignorant bigots.
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congrats on your reply to SHATCO, obviously a complete ****, perhaps a friend of that other ppruning cretin alpha control.
As has been said, not the job for ignorant bigots.
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Not directly involved in this, but as an observer:
Seems that both SATCO and Expeditedescent have hit a "raw nerve"!
If SATCO is 'in the job', he is already in the team, thus it is the place for him.. and as for the "I suspect you are an old git".....nice one, alienating all those older than the obviously immature (and young) Expeditedescent.
Well I for one would hate to be in your (Expeditedescent's) "team" with such a bigoted and agressive individual. It strikes me that according to him, only people who agree with him have a right to a point of view! ..and it should be done the way Expeditedescent wants it done instead!!!??!! And as for the "Involved in the Union" bit - God help all those older and stupider than Expeditedescent.....
Seems that both SATCO and Expeditedescent have hit a "raw nerve"!
If SATCO is 'in the job', he is already in the team, thus it is the place for him.. and as for the "I suspect you are an old git".....nice one, alienating all those older than the obviously immature (and young) Expeditedescent.
Well I for one would hate to be in your (Expeditedescent's) "team" with such a bigoted and agressive individual. It strikes me that according to him, only people who agree with him have a right to a point of view! ..and it should be done the way Expeditedescent wants it done instead!!!??!! And as for the "Involved in the Union" bit - God help all those older and stupider than Expeditedescent.....
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God this same old "It's not fair why wont they tell us anything" malarky gets very old and tired people...
They CAN'T tell you anything until AFTER the meeting is formally closed !!
After which, they have to get together and agree on the wording of what communication goes out to members and then arrange for it to be written and published. I'm sure you lot would be the first to jump on them and criticise if they were slap dash about it and put out incomplete communications.
Whether you know at 9am today or 12pm tomorrow you still will have a good few weeks to vote, so cool the jets !
My own personal wager will be on no improvement to the basic increase but extra incremental progressions for ATCOs and probably a little bonus thrown in for those already at the top.
If I'm right I look forward to you all knocking back this extra cash in order to keep to your word and professional integrity whilst holding out for 10%.....
They CAN'T tell you anything until AFTER the meeting is formally closed !!
After which, they have to get together and agree on the wording of what communication goes out to members and then arrange for it to be written and published. I'm sure you lot would be the first to jump on them and criticise if they were slap dash about it and put out incomplete communications.
Whether you know at 9am today or 12pm tomorrow you still will have a good few weeks to vote, so cool the jets !
My own personal wager will be on no improvement to the basic increase but extra incremental progressions for ATCOs and probably a little bonus thrown in for those already at the top.
If I'm right I look forward to you all knocking back this extra cash in order to keep to your word and professional integrity whilst holding out for 10%.....
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So Sector8,
Someone launches a personal attack on me, and I have no right to defend myself?
How come I am bigoted and agrressive, when I only fire back at SATCO, what he fired at me.......does that make him exactly the same?
As you will not be in our Union, as you are not an ATCO, then you won't have to worry about me will you?
As for immature.........well look at the post that started this..........who is really immature?
Young does not mean immature........old does not mean wise.........
As to alienating the older ATCOs......what cack you talk. I was simply returning a volley sent from SATCO......not making generalisations about anyone......if you can't see that then Heaven help you.
Perhaps you would also like to explain to the ATCO population why you feel we are not overworked and underpaid?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...442#post490442
Anyway enough of this drivel........I made my point, and I will let all SATCOs luvvies come in and protect him........life is too short for this simple minded poop.
Someone launches a personal attack on me, and I have no right to defend myself?
How come I am bigoted and agrressive, when I only fire back at SATCO, what he fired at me.......does that make him exactly the same?
As you will not be in our Union, as you are not an ATCO, then you won't have to worry about me will you?
As for immature.........well look at the post that started this..........who is really immature?
Young does not mean immature........old does not mean wise.........
As to alienating the older ATCOs......what cack you talk. I was simply returning a volley sent from SATCO......not making generalisations about anyone......if you can't see that then Heaven help you.
Perhaps you would also like to explain to the ATCO population why you feel we are not overworked and underpaid?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...442#post490442
Anyway enough of this drivel........I made my point, and I will let all SATCOs luvvies come in and protect him........life is too short for this simple minded poop.
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Undercover,
The issue with me is not that they have not told us the offer......but they have told us nothing at all.
The deadline we were given was the 11th........It is surely not unreasonable for the members to expect something by that day.
As it became apparent here that there would be a revised offer from mangement this Monday, again it is surely not unreasonable to expect the members to show a high interest in what that outcome was.
Now all they would have to do is a small statement on their website, or press release or anything, just to say that negotiations were ongoing, the meeting had to be extended and progress was being made.........That would quell a lot of people's diquiet.
When you are left hanging with no information at all, people get restless..........after all the only reason most of us go to work is to get paid...............Would you do it for free?
All the members want is a little communications just to feel like we are still in the loop.
The issue with me is not that they have not told us the offer......but they have told us nothing at all.
The deadline we were given was the 11th........It is surely not unreasonable for the members to expect something by that day.
As it became apparent here that there would be a revised offer from mangement this Monday, again it is surely not unreasonable to expect the members to show a high interest in what that outcome was.
Now all they would have to do is a small statement on their website, or press release or anything, just to say that negotiations were ongoing, the meeting had to be extended and progress was being made.........That would quell a lot of people's diquiet.
When you are left hanging with no information at all, people get restless..........after all the only reason most of us go to work is to get paid...............Would you do it for free?
All the members want is a little communications just to feel like we are still in the loop.
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Agreed... it's nice to be in the loop... and of course we all have a great interest in how these talks pan out.
Personally though I get a little bored of seeing so many communications come out saying "We had a meeting. It was good. We can't say any more. We'll have another one soon."
"Aye, very good"I say... "get back to me when you've actually got some news!!"
Personally though I get a little bored of seeing so many communications come out saying "We had a meeting. It was good. We can't say any more. We'll have another one soon."
"Aye, very good"I say... "get back to me when you've actually got some news!!"