Talking to London Information
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MATSPART3
Could you identify or hint at the identity of your unit.
Any help in avoiding other aircraft while bottlenecked under and around the london areas is really appreciated, and the more so if we know we are not being a nuisance to the ATC.
NIPPA
Not sure I like the comment that we are not paying for the service. Most of the infrastructure, training,etc, etc was paid for by the taxpayer, and any price paid by the current operators certainly did not fully cover that.
Moreover it would be educational to know exactly what the new operators were contracted to provide, was it just to speak to those aircraft who pay the most?
An aerial auction for instant service would be quite a thing to listen in to.
Could you identify or hint at the identity of your unit.
Any help in avoiding other aircraft while bottlenecked under and around the london areas is really appreciated, and the more so if we know we are not being a nuisance to the ATC.
NIPPA
Not sure I like the comment that we are not paying for the service. Most of the infrastructure, training,etc, etc was paid for by the taxpayer, and any price paid by the current operators certainly did not fully cover that.
Moreover it would be educational to know exactly what the new operators were contracted to provide, was it just to speak to those aircraft who pay the most?
An aerial auction for instant service would be quite a thing to listen in to.
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just because a military airfield is shut doesnt mean no ones there! i know you were being humorous, but dont forget waddington has had nimrods(thats the mark that the raf denied having until recently) and sentries in the middle east since december.
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Sorry Chilli I wasn't meaning to undermine my non-Nats colleagues but things were very different for you guys even then.
For a start , you were far fewer in number.
I'm old enough to remember when MATS1 showed example flight strips with destination KILD ( Idlewild ) so give me some credit for knowing what's new in MATS and what is historical.
The words were written at a time when Public Service meant something and ATC was striving for professional status.
Times have changed.
I now consider every request for service carefully , when years ago I would have given it without thought.
Of course that was prior to the legal contract made by the conditions of RAS and RIS.
Personally I believe every aircraft should pay for every service or the total cost be borne by public funds. Today's mix seems a temporary blip.
For a start , you were far fewer in number.
I'm old enough to remember when MATS1 showed example flight strips with destination KILD ( Idlewild ) so give me some credit for knowing what's new in MATS and what is historical.
The words were written at a time when Public Service meant something and ATC was striving for professional status.
Times have changed.
I now consider every request for service carefully , when years ago I would have given it without thought.
Of course that was prior to the legal contract made by the conditions of RAS and RIS.
Personally I believe every aircraft should pay for every service or the total cost be borne by public funds. Today's mix seems a temporary blip.
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As a recently qualified PPL I am interested in the above comments. During my training I was taught to contact London Information during cross-country flights ( I also fly from Shoreham so have the problem with few other ATCs to talk to).
Although I get an FIS from London, only on one occasion have I actually been given any information about other aircraft, so I can see the point that people are making. Hearing someone in the South West calling up is not particuarly interesting when you're in the South East.
As a result of this sometimes I switch to London, but just listen out for anyone who may conflict with me. Obviously if eveyone started doing this there wouldn't be much point! But somehow it doesn't feel right to not be talking to someone and telling them what you're up to.
I would also say that on my skills test I think the examiner would have taken a dim view of me flying around and not talking to London - he made it clear in the pre-flight briefing that I should talk to 'appropriate' frequencies even though I did not legally have to. Does this mean that what PPLs are taught is perhaps not what should be happening?
Although I get an FIS from London, only on one occasion have I actually been given any information about other aircraft, so I can see the point that people are making. Hearing someone in the South West calling up is not particuarly interesting when you're in the South East.
As a result of this sometimes I switch to London, but just listen out for anyone who may conflict with me. Obviously if eveyone started doing this there wouldn't be much point! But somehow it doesn't feel right to not be talking to someone and telling them what you're up to.
I would also say that on my skills test I think the examiner would have taken a dim view of me flying around and not talking to London - he made it clear in the pre-flight briefing that I should talk to 'appropriate' frequencies even though I did not legally have to. Does this mean that what PPLs are taught is perhaps not what should be happening?
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I think the word 'appropriate' fits in well with what I've been saying. Talk when appropriate, listen and enjoy the view when it's not.
If your instructors / examiners are saying you should be in full time contact all the time then fine - don't forget they are using that to conduct an assessment of your R/T in adddition to your flying. It's part of the instructional and examination process. However - now you have your licence you can start to learn such things for yourself.
nippa
coo - I don't even remember those. Take all your points though. The provision of ATSOCAS needs a complete overhaul - sooner rather than later.
CM
I think the word 'appropriate' fits in well with what I've been saying. Talk when appropriate, listen and enjoy the view when it's not.
If your instructors / examiners are saying you should be in full time contact all the time then fine - don't forget they are using that to conduct an assessment of your R/T in adddition to your flying. It's part of the instructional and examination process. However - now you have your licence you can start to learn such things for yourself.
nippa
coo - I don't even remember those. Take all your points though. The provision of ATSOCAS needs a complete overhaul - sooner rather than later.
CM
