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Oldest ATCO in town

Old 23rd Oct 2017, 13:35
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Oldest ATCO in town

Quick question....
Have a previously valid ATCO entering the UTP at 68.
How many valued,experienced controllers are out there?
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 15:04
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I don't know what UTP means but Freddie Frost at Lasham is way older than 68 I believe.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 15:54
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 16:50
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Thanks,I wondered what UTP meant as well..........but didn't like to ask.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 17:24
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Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR View Post
I don't know what UTP means but Freddie Frost at Lasham is way older than 68 I believe.
And still valid on radar too.
I'm still FISOing and I'm positive I could still pass LCEs on radar and tower at Farnborough if given the chance; I partially regret going when I did but HR wouldn't offer me acceptable terms otherwise I would have stayed on provided I could pass the medical. I have no trouble passing the FISO medical.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 18:43
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The name Freddie Frost seems to ring a distant bell,was he a former SATCO/CAA Chief Officer at Eastern Radar (civil) ?
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 19:29
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
The name Freddie Frost seems to ring a distant bell,was he a former SATCO/CAA Chief Officer at Eastern Radar (civil) ?
I recall that they were known at the JATCRUs as the 'Senior Civil ATCO'. And, yes, that is he.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 22:20
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Ah,so my mind hasn't completely gone!Hugh Lawson was boss when I arrived,but I do remember (vaguely),FF being spoken of.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 07:53
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
And still valid on radar too.
I'm still FISOing and I'm positive I could still pass LCEs on radar and tower at Farnborough if given the chance; I partially regret going when I did but HR wouldn't offer me acceptable terms otherwise I would have stayed on provided I could pass the medical. I have no trouble passing the FISO medical.
Admire your confidence Chevron, but you couldn't.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 16:10
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I am sure that the Chevvron person could get through a Renewal as long as he realised that LCE/UCE and Examiners have been renamed Assessors..... and get their head around EU340isms
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 20:40
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Originally Posted by obwan View Post
I have no idea who chevvron is but Nimmer's post has the whiff of the LATCC/Swawick "in crowd" about it ; whispers and back stabbing in quiet corners.
Post was in jest, however a bit of realisation that things have got busier since Chevron left, and cognitive skills will have slowed.

15 years since I left Gatwick Tower (validated), wouldn't fancy giving it a go now and I am valid on radar!!!

Things change.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 22:22
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Coming from oop north I don't have a sense of humour so grovelling apology to Mr Nimmer
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Bright-Ling View Post
I am sure that the Chevvron person could get through a Renewal as long as he realised that LCE/UCE and Examiners have been renamed Assessors..... and get their head around EU340isms
Thank you for your confidence in me. I remember asking a certain female controller if she would consider becoming an assessor; her reply was 'how much extra money do I get?'
I listen to Farnborough frequencies regularly when FISOing as their traffic affects our traffic so I know how busy they sometimes are.
I think the only problem I might have would be in the tower, remembering to switch those stop bars for all departures even when not in LVPs (no GMC except for the airshow for those who don't know the setup at Farnborough)
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 18:31
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Just been having a shufty through EU340.

Fascinating stuff, but how will 'Brexit' affect it?
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 20:27
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Fair enough question I'd imagine; an assessor has a greater responsibility, accountability and workload than an OJTI, so it should be remunerated appropriately.

Zooker, short answer; it won't.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 09:28
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Tell me more about the "LATCC/Swanwick in crowd"
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 11:20
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
Thank you for your confidence in me. I remember asking a certain female controller if she would consider becoming an assessor; her reply was 'how much extra money do I get?'
That's because it's a J O B.
Yes, there is professional pride but also there is the relationship between employee and employer and the value of the profession.

Perhaps the question was a bit blunt, but asking for extra remuneration for extra responsibility is 100% reasonable

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Old 7th Nov 2017, 22:05
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Amen, whitelighter - you're quite right!

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Old 18th Nov 2017, 20:34
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Not the oldest but joined ATC as an ATCA 3 (Board of trade then) January 12th 1970 . Controller since 1986 ,my last working shift will be Sat 25th November 47yrs 317 days.
Not a bad run :-)
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 22:00
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Well done! Not willy-waving (you might be female..) but I've done 51 years in ATC, still counting, and clutching a brand new medical. But a long way behind my old boss who, at 84, has done over 60 years and still has an Approach Radar rating.
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