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man friday 23rd Oct 2017 13:35

Oldest ATCO in town
 
Quick question....
Have a previously valid ATCO entering the UTP at 68.
How many valued,experienced controllers are out there?
#ageaintnothingbutanumber

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 23rd Oct 2017 15:04

I don't know what UTP means but Freddie Frost at Lasham is way older than 68 I believe.

whitelighter 23rd Oct 2017 15:54

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ex82watcher 23rd Oct 2017 16:50

Thanks,I wondered what UTP meant as well..........but didn't like to ask.

chevvron 23rd Oct 2017 17:24


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 9934051)
I don't know what UTP means but Freddie Frost at Lasham is way older than 68 I believe.

And still valid on radar too.
I'm still FISOing and I'm positive I could still pass LCEs on radar and tower at Farnborough if given the chance; I partially regret going when I did but HR wouldn't offer me acceptable terms otherwise I would have stayed on provided I could pass the medical. I have no trouble passing the FISO medical.

ex82watcher 23rd Oct 2017 18:43

The name Freddie Frost seems to ring a distant bell,was he a former SATCO/CAA Chief Officer at Eastern Radar (civil) ?

Talkdownman 23rd Oct 2017 19:29


Originally Posted by ex82watcher (Post 9934277)
The name Freddie Frost seems to ring a distant bell,was he a former SATCO/CAA Chief Officer at Eastern Radar (civil) ?

I recall that they were known at the JATCRUs as the 'Senior Civil ATCO'. And, yes, that is he.

ex82watcher 23rd Oct 2017 22:20

Ah,so my mind hasn't completely gone!Hugh Lawson was boss when I arrived,but I do remember (vaguely),FF being spoken of.

Nimmer 24th Oct 2017 07:53


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 9934191)
And still valid on radar too.
I'm still FISOing and I'm positive I could still pass LCEs on radar and tower at Farnborough if given the chance; I partially regret going when I did but HR wouldn't offer me acceptable terms otherwise I would have stayed on provided I could pass the medical. I have no trouble passing the FISO medical.

Admire your confidence Chevron, but you couldn't.

Bright-Ling 24th Oct 2017 16:10

I am sure that the Chevvron person could get through a Renewal as long as he realised that LCE/UCE and Examiners have been renamed Assessors..... and get their head around EU340isms

Nimmer 24th Oct 2017 20:40


Originally Posted by obwan (Post 9935258)
I have no idea who chevvron is but Nimmer's post has the whiff of the LATCC/Swawick "in crowd" about it ; whispers and back stabbing in quiet corners.

Post was in jest, however a bit of realisation that things have got busier since Chevron left, and cognitive skills will have slowed.

15 years since I left Gatwick Tower (validated), wouldn't fancy giving it a go now and I am valid on radar!!!

Things change.

obwan 24th Oct 2017 22:22

Coming from oop north I don't have a sense of humour so grovelling apology to Mr Nimmer

chevvron 25th Oct 2017 15:58


Originally Posted by Bright-Ling (Post 9935323)
I am sure that the Chevvron person could get through a Renewal as long as he realised that LCE/UCE and Examiners have been renamed Assessors..... and get their head around EU340isms

Thank you for your confidence in me. I remember asking a certain female controller if she would consider becoming an assessor; her reply was 'how much extra money do I get?'
I listen to Farnborough frequencies regularly when FISOing as their traffic affects our traffic so I know how busy they sometimes are.
I think the only problem I might have would be in the tower, remembering to switch those stop bars for all departures even when not in LVPs (no GMC except for the airshow for those who don't know the setup at Farnborough)

ZOOKER 25th Oct 2017 18:31

Just been having a shufty through EU340.

Fascinating stuff, but how will 'Brexit' affect it?

Gonzo 25th Oct 2017 20:27

Fair enough question I'd imagine; an assessor has a greater responsibility, accountability and workload than an OJTI, so it should be remunerated appropriately.

Zooker, short answer; it won't.

GAPSTER 30th Oct 2017 09:28

Tell me more about the "LATCC/Swanwick in crowd"

whitelighter 30th Oct 2017 11:20


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 9936307)
Thank you for your confidence in me. I remember asking a certain female controller if she would consider becoming an assessor; her reply was 'how much extra money do I get?'

That's because it's a J O B.
Yes, there is professional pride but also there is the relationship between employee and employer and the value of the profession.

Perhaps the question was a bit blunt, but asking for extra remuneration for extra responsibility is 100% reasonable

Catwalk Dweller 7th Nov 2017 22:05

Amen, whitelighter - you're quite right!

airac 18th Nov 2017 20:34

Not the oldest but joined ATC as an ATCA 3 (Board of trade then) January 12th 1970 . Controller since 1986 ,my last working shift will be Sat 25th November 47yrs 317 days.
Not a bad run :-)

Talkdownman 18th Nov 2017 22:00

Well done! Not willy-waving (you might be female..) but I've done 51 years in ATC, still counting, and clutching a brand new medical. But a long way behind my old boss who, at 84, has done over 60 years and still has an Approach Radar rating.


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