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Old 16th Aug 2020, 09:16
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
When Manston re-opens ?
My source says lots of negotiations ongoing by beancounters and other people with no working knowledge or experience of civil ATC but looking to do it on the cheap.
Reckons a possible candidate for the 'remote tower' would be ANS at Gatwick!!
Who will do APS I don't know.(ANS Edinburgh?)
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 11:49
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Reckons a possible candidate for the 'remote tower' would be ANS at Gatwick!!
..and with what logic?
More likely to be Farnborough.

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 19:07
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
My source says lots of negotiations ongoing by beancounters and other people with no working knowledge or experience of civil ATC
Well last time I looked, ATCOs weren't investing hundreds of millions in disused airfields, so whether you like it or not, it's beancounters and investment groups that buy and develop assets.
To them ATC it's purely a tool that allows an airfield to operate. You shop around and you get the best deal available. Hate the game, not the player.

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Old 17th Aug 2020, 06:45
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Originally Posted by LookingForAJob View Post
Sounds like chevvron's waving a flag for SafeSkys (or whatever they're called these days) again!
The new owners of the brand name don't seem to be interested in ATC contracts; I got my info from a well informed source outside SafeSkys.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 06:50
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Originally Posted by 2 sheds View Post
..and with what logic?
More likely to be Farnborough.

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Farnborough could do the APS using existing equipment considering the likely movement rate, however Southend would be a more likely candidate as Riveroak want 24/7 ops and Farnborough don't work those hours whereas Southend do.
As for a remote tower, Farnborough would be a non starter, there just isn't room to install all the huge 360 deg VDUs necesssary; it may look a huge building from the outside but about 3 quarters of the accomodation is occupied by the aerodrome authority, not ATC.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 07:28
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Surely the key point of a remote tower is ‘remote’. The lack of space in the building is just another possible reason to have a remote tower.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 11:42
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.and with what logic?
Remote Towers is an emerging technology so you'll need a partner with expertise on call, willing to make some of their own investment in the remote part, ability to train and rate ATC staff and with access to a suitable site with the necessary network connectivity and security. ANS, through their parent company if necessary, have access to the first three and would probably be willing to set up the last as part of an attempt to enter that market in the UK. There is one other organisation in the UK that fits the bill but if you want it on the cheap you might want to be the launch customer for the market incomer.

Remote radar is far less demanding technology wise and well established with far more options but if I was placing an ATC contract for my soon to re-open airport I'd want a single contract with one supplier.

Of course if I was soon to re-open an airport in this market I'd probably not be throwing a lot of money at capital investment in a brand new remote tower unless either the physical tower needed a lot of money to return it to use or there was a significant incentive and that is definitely beancounter territory.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 14:13
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Is there any further news on the remote tower operation for LCY? Project on hold due the pandemic, perhaps.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 15:21
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Originally Posted by Atcham Tower View Post
Is there any further news on the remote tower operation for LCY? Project on hold due the pandemic, perhaps.
On the contrary, up & running fine following transfer at the end of January. Good opportunity to transition & settle in, whilst the traffic is down.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 16:01
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Thanks Alfaman, they kept that quiet! Or at least I missed any publicity.
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