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Can I join the s**t-kicking too? Evidently, Alpha has been qualified for all of 2 or 3 weeks and has decided to show us how important he is. The only problems being that:
a. He obviously doesn't possess an ounce of professionalism in his body.
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b. Does not know, nor care, about how ATCOs (civilian or military) operate (which just confirms comment a).
Although, as FCs, we do struggle with archaic kit and FJ pilots who want to operate in a different manner to any other form of air traffic, it's no excuse for people like Alpha. It saddens me that I have to work with such t***s.
If Alpha, or any of his buddys, were to be filed-against, the CRC would be obliged to suspend his operating endorsement until at least a preliminary investigation has been carried-out. Can I encourage any ATCO who encounters an abnoxious, unhelpful FC like Alpha, and has a few minutes to do some paperwork, to take this course of action? It would keep him/her out of your hair for a day or two, and would mean that we could identify the victim of our shoeing!
But, please, we're not all like him - honest.
a. He obviously doesn't possess an ounce of professionalism in his body.
and
b. Does not know, nor care, about how ATCOs (civilian or military) operate (which just confirms comment a).
Although, as FCs, we do struggle with archaic kit and FJ pilots who want to operate in a different manner to any other form of air traffic, it's no excuse for people like Alpha. It saddens me that I have to work with such t***s.
If Alpha, or any of his buddys, were to be filed-against, the CRC would be obliged to suspend his operating endorsement until at least a preliminary investigation has been carried-out. Can I encourage any ATCO who encounters an abnoxious, unhelpful FC like Alpha, and has a few minutes to do some paperwork, to take this course of action? It would keep him/her out of your hair for a day or two, and would mean that we could identify the victim of our shoeing!
But, please, we're not all like him - honest.
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very pleased to see the complete lack of support for Alpha by his/her colleagues who it also seems have a lot more experience than the one who spouts crap.
Perhaps the civility of Alpha's last post in comparison to the previous rants shows a vast improvement prompted by the tirade of abuse received back - I'm sure the comments posted were not those expected, especially from those you work with, so was it worth it old fruit? I for one would be horrified if I thought my workchums regarded my publicly stated views with such distaste as yours.
ATC is no place for people with such an appalling attitude for others in the job.
Perhaps the civility of Alpha's last post in comparison to the previous rants shows a vast improvement prompted by the tirade of abuse received back - I'm sure the comments posted were not those expected, especially from those you work with, so was it worth it old fruit? I for one would be horrified if I thought my workchums regarded my publicly stated views with such distaste as yours.
ATC is no place for people with such an appalling attitude for others in the job.
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Jesus, I've been doin the FCs job for years now and I think I have just about heard it all, Alpha, you work in my Ops room and I will surely tell you a thing or two, probably kick you off console you arogant *&^%*&. 
The name says it all.
For a civilian bros out there, we may represent less than 10% of the ac movements thru UK airspace a year, but lets just say that given the dying threat of russian invasion, commercial demands for greater pay, airline and NATS included, you still need the scopies to train the mil aircrew to do something about possible Sep 11th scenarios.
Don't be afraid that the F3 Fj crews occasionally bust their restrictions, we apply coordination in exactly the same way as Mil ATCOS and CIVILIAN ATCOs too, but we still have to control the premadonas, all you have to do is share the airspace. Wait for the terrorist Hijack flying into the London TMA. Hairs rising on the back of your neck yet? Should be, cos mine do every time I think about ordering F3 at speed into "Indian country". Invariably we don't want to be there anymore than you want us there. But if you want to sleep at night, safely, free from the threat of a possible terrorist attack or non NATO mil ac flying through your CAS, you still need us.
The name says it all.For a civilian bros out there, we may represent less than 10% of the ac movements thru UK airspace a year, but lets just say that given the dying threat of russian invasion, commercial demands for greater pay, airline and NATS included, you still need the scopies to train the mil aircrew to do something about possible Sep 11th scenarios.
Don't be afraid that the F3 Fj crews occasionally bust their restrictions, we apply coordination in exactly the same way as Mil ATCOS and CIVILIAN ATCOs too, but we still have to control the premadonas, all you have to do is share the airspace. Wait for the terrorist Hijack flying into the London TMA. Hairs rising on the back of your neck yet? Should be, cos mine do every time I think about ordering F3 at speed into "Indian country". Invariably we don't want to be there anymore than you want us there. But if you want to sleep at night, safely, free from the threat of a possible terrorist attack or non NATO mil ac flying through your CAS, you still need us.
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foo fighting
Rest assured the hunt for the **** is on. If I get my hands on the imature inexperienced ******, I will personnally throw him to the lions on the first avail MIL ATCC Liaison visit I get the chance of, remembering to drop them a line first of course.
SMORG Yes I know who you are, you look in your ops rm and I will look in mine.
Big clue, I think the only reason Alpha's is so worried about the civiies getting in his way, is he is either a closet repressed IDRO or hasn't got a CQ yet.
Good Hunting
Rest assured the hunt for the **** is on. If I get my hands on the imature inexperienced ******, I will personnally throw him to the lions on the first avail MIL ATCC Liaison visit I get the chance of, remembering to drop them a line first of course.
SMORG Yes I know who you are, you look in your ops rm and I will look in mine.
Big clue, I think the only reason Alpha's is so worried about the civiies getting in his way, is he is either a closet repressed IDRO or hasn't got a CQ yet.
Good Hunting
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For what its worth I was" doing " Tay yesterday evening (wed) I had several Aberdeen deps Fir dct NEW and the mil chap at the end of the Neatishead phone had several tracks "******ing about" sfc to 24000ft.The coordination was excellent and it was almost a stress free hour.Well done .If I wore a hat I would take it off to you
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controlled airspace
why will the amount of controlled airspace double in the next ten years? given that dakotas and viscounts are no longer in use by the majority of airlines i would have thought that it would decrease. on this subject did anyone read yesterdays telegraph? interesting article about doing away with airways, and about time too!
