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Hi folks. A question about pay. The lady who has written the article in the Sunday Mirror stated that she was on £35k. Is that possible? With 7 years experience, shift pay, training pay and the travelling benifits, is it possible to be earning £35k? Looking at the pay scales it's not possible by a very long chalk. Could someone explain to me where this figure comes from? I know it's a moot point, but its interesting to me and my engineering chums cos with 7 years experience, even on the lowest engineering grade, your on about £34k (I'm on £31,500 with nearly 3 years in as well as shift pay and all that stuff). Don't bite my head off cos it's only a question.
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A link to the Sunday mirror article if you will...
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/homepa...l&siteid=81959
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cheers.
A link to the Sunday mirror article if you will...
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/homepa...l&siteid=81959
Ta daaaaaa!!!!
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Pay scales are all wrong, a newly valid atco3 gets about 32K inc UHP.
So 7 years of experience would put her a lot higher up the scale
Not being at Swanwick, I don't know if she exists, but the way it reads to me is more like a fairy story made up around newspaper articles.
But then again, I might be wrong
So 7 years of experience would put her a lot higher up the scale
Not being at Swanwick, I don't know if she exists, but the way it reads to me is more like a fairy story made up around newspaper articles.
But then again, I might be wrong
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Exel, mathematics was never one of my greatest subjects, but nowhere in the article does it mention NET salary, and I for one when asked what I earn give the gross figure.
Does anybody actually know her?
Does anybody actually know her?
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You boys and girls are showing your ignorance now.
Sarah Carey is the Prospect ATCOs' Branch Secretary and is an experienced ATCO at Swanwick. (you may know her as Sarah Jackson).
The article is very well informed and represents ATCO interests well.
You may find several more appearing like this, mainly because with the recent talk of Airmisses, Danger Areas, Uncompliant pilots, and strike action in Europe, people are quite rightly interested in us again. Long may thet survive.
Sarah Carey is the Prospect ATCOs' Branch Secretary and is an experienced ATCO at Swanwick. (you may know her as Sarah Jackson).
The article is very well informed and represents ATCO interests well.
You may find several more appearing like this, mainly because with the recent talk of Airmisses, Danger Areas, Uncompliant pilots, and strike action in Europe, people are quite rightly interested in us again. Long may thet survive.
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That may be so HH, but does it accuratly represent her earnings? I'm asking cos if she stretched the truth on something like this, then what else has she stretched the truth on? The general public will believe anything that is in black and white on a tabloid newspaper. I know what sort of job you ATCOs do, and I have the upmost respect for you. I could never do your job, nor would I probably want to. Especially for £35k Gross. So, is there any way, as an experienced ATCO, she could earn £35k gross?
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With all due respect, whatever Sarah stated as her earnings, NET or otherwise. Isn't it about time that somebody redressed the balance and dismissed the myth that management would like the public to believe. At every opportunity, it is said that UK ATCO's earn around 60k a year. There is no mention of the fact that this figure is based on a veteran controller with at least 13 years operational experience, and would have to work in a busy ATCO2 station. Unless of course you are non-op, or not capable of controlling real aeroplanes, in which case you are rewarded with better pay and possibly a management job.
About time Stansted was regraded up to ATCO 2 and I don't even work there!
The reality is that operational ATCO's earn between about 30k and 64k (at ATCO 1 level), including shift pay.
I for one, applaud Sarah for having the balls as a union rep to stand up and tell it like it is at most of NATS units, and not only for the controllers.
I would also expect that the public would now assume that average pay is somewhere between the two figures, which is more realistic.
Time for senior management's at certain units to watch for the size ten that is about to volley them to where they belong!
We should all be looking for better than is currently on offer from this new "private" company!
With all due respect, whatever Sarah stated as her earnings, NET or otherwise. Isn't it about time that somebody redressed the balance and dismissed the myth that management would like the public to believe. At every opportunity, it is said that UK ATCO's earn around 60k a year. There is no mention of the fact that this figure is based on a veteran controller with at least 13 years operational experience, and would have to work in a busy ATCO2 station. Unless of course you are non-op, or not capable of controlling real aeroplanes, in which case you are rewarded with better pay and possibly a management job.
About time Stansted was regraded up to ATCO 2 and I don't even work there!
The reality is that operational ATCO's earn between about 30k and 64k (at ATCO 1 level), including shift pay.
I for one, applaud Sarah for having the balls as a union rep to stand up and tell it like it is at most of NATS units, and not only for the controllers.
I would also expect that the public would now assume that average pay is somewhere between the two figures, which is more realistic.
Time for senior management's at certain units to watch for the size ten that is about to volley them to where they belong!
We should all be looking for better than is currently on offer from this new "private" company!
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And another thing!
I know that Sarah was "misquoted" on a couple of items, I do not know what exactly yet, but I am sure they will be the "mistruths" to which you are referring.
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I know that Sarah was "misquoted" on a couple of items, I do not know what exactly yet, but I am sure they will be the "mistruths" to which you are referring.
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Whilst we're on about earnings and staffing, I believe that at MACC alone, 8 people have applied to NavCan, 1 has already has an assessment and 2 others are about to go over for theirs.
Hello management, are ANY alarm bells ringing yet ?????
memo to all: insufficient staff forecast for sector reorganisations planned.
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Hello management, are ANY alarm bells ringing yet ?????
memo to all: insufficient staff forecast for sector reorganisations planned.
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The article describes a working shift pattern as AAOMMNN.
Iwas under the impression that Swanwick worked MMAANN.
Am I wrong or is the newspaper printing inaccurate information?
Iwas under the impression that Swanwick worked MMAANN.
Am I wrong or is the newspaper printing inaccurate information?
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Just a side issue about the article. Maybe she was misquoted, but I'm starting to feel really sorry for the trainee who was involved with the u/s training box air-miss.
We all screwed up now and again as trainees, but to have it shoved in your face by the press, and then have a Prospect union rep be quoted as saying you almost caused a collision, is not good.
If that trainee was me, I'd be looking elsewhere for employment.
Give the guy/girl a break.
We all screwed up now and again as trainees, but to have it shoved in your face by the press, and then have a Prospect union rep be quoted as saying you almost caused a collision, is not good.
If that trainee was me, I'd be looking elsewhere for employment.
Give the guy/girl a break.
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AREA52 (and all ATCOs come to that), just a small point, but management (I presume you mean non-ATCO) pay is about half that of ATCO pay unless you mean the very small number of people eg DGMs etc. The banded MSG structure pays considerably less than ATCO as is demonstrated where a post is advertised as not exclusively ATCO and the pay is up to c £60K for the ATCO candidate and around £42K or less if a non-operational candidate is successful.
Your attitude is so sadly typical of controllers - totally dismissive and insulting about anyone who is not an ATCO. I expect you disrespect your doctor because he can't controll aircraft.....
Yes the ATCOs do have a point, for goodness sake don't ruin it by your petty, big headed and insulting attitude to other NATS staff who support you, both in the work they do (I doubt you can write computer code) and in your basic desire for fair treatment.
Your attitude is so sadly typical of controllers - totally dismissive and insulting about anyone who is not an ATCO. I expect you disrespect your doctor because he can't controll aircraft.....
Yes the ATCOs do have a point, for goodness sake don't ruin it by your petty, big headed and insulting attitude to other NATS staff who support you, both in the work they do (I doubt you can write computer code) and in your basic desire for fair treatment.
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If you're correct, and most of Management only get paid 2/3 of what we *could* earn, that's probably because we've got too many of them.
I could name names, but I won't.
If you're correct, and most of Management only get paid 2/3 of what we *could* earn, that's probably because we've got too many of them.
I could name names, but I won't.
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Just a little point, as you hold a great deal of your fellow staff in contempt, perhaps you should take your less than considerable talents to another outfit worthy of you.
Just a little point
, as you hold a great deal of your fellow staff in contempt, perhaps you should take your less than considerable talents to another outfit worthy of you.