BA pilot at it again at Dublin
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There is no basis for the video being heavily edited without the offering of the actual recording from Liveatc.net
From my experience, channels cross over eachother constantly, and its quite rare you even get as much as we have just heard in that video. Its quite likely this manager has no experience with the Dublin feed on Liveatc.net
From my experience, channels cross over eachother constantly, and its quite rare you even get as much as we have just heard in that video. Its quite likely this manager has no experience with the Dublin feed on Liveatc.net
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AerRyan, an entire conversation after things 'Kicked off", yet before handover to TWR between the Stobart and DUB GND, in which the Stobart made it clear that their pushback was subject to a RYR, with no mention of a BA, was not contained in the YouTube clip.
To be fair, this may not intentionally have been 'edited', it may just not as you say have been captured by the Liveatc.net clip. If this is the case then I apologise for using the term 'edited', if this implies deliberate editing by whoever created the Youtube clip. But an entire conversation is missing, hence I consider the clip an edited version of actual ATC recordings.
The omission is unfortunate, as the exchange makes it clear the Stobart did not 'cause' the situation as has been suggested on this and other sites.
To be fair, this may not intentionally have been 'edited', it may just not as you say have been captured by the Liveatc.net clip. If this is the case then I apologise for using the term 'edited', if this implies deliberate editing by whoever created the Youtube clip. But an entire conversation is missing, hence I consider the clip an edited version of actual ATC recordings.
The omission is unfortunate, as the exchange makes it clear the Stobart did not 'cause' the situation as has been suggested on this and other sites.
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But did the BA cause it? I can't hear readbacks of either the warning to BA or the changed pushback clearance to Stobart, which should at least have rung some alarm bells no?
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I thing there is the wrong habit to perceive the safety report as a punishment ;
first of all if safety is or is suspected to be affected the report is mandatory, accondirng to the just culture we should learn from mistakes , there is a chance that the controller was overloaded and if it's the case, reasons should be investigated and solutions put in force, there is a chance she had'nt enough break time during the duty, once again we should discover why it happened.
To be honest I had several argumentative conversations on the frequency, sometimes I made a mistake, sometimes pilots got mad apparently for no reason because they thought to be right, but the Dublin BA pilot is far away from being rude, at least compared to what I'm used to .
first of all if safety is or is suspected to be affected the report is mandatory, accondirng to the just culture we should learn from mistakes , there is a chance that the controller was overloaded and if it's the case, reasons should be investigated and solutions put in force, there is a chance she had'nt enough break time during the duty, once again we should discover why it happened.
To be honest I had several argumentative conversations on the frequency, sometimes I made a mistake, sometimes pilots got mad apparently for no reason because they thought to be right, but the Dublin BA pilot is far away from being rude, at least compared to what I'm used to .
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You guys/gals need to let the airlines run the ramps/gates like they do in the US. Crews and ops can then spar among themselves. Seriously, some folks are wound too tight. I've seen lots of airliners have to pause their push-back, seldom got into a spat on the radio. Stuff happens.
