NATS recruiting controllers externally?
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What would have been nice is waiting to see if the Edinburgh and London City contracts are retained before recruiting externally somewhere else. Stansted after all is only a Band 3 unit. Otherwise NATS have potentially a lot of controllers on a 'Trust of a Promise' to find places for. And I believe they will not 'promote' through that process.
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Without getting into a bun fight band 2 and 3 are there and there abouts the same. Anything above that needs assessment centres, interviews and the usual jumping through many hoops. I suspect if the EDI contract is lost, they are not going to offer anyone LHR on a TOAP which takes me back to my original point.
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So, just for fun let's speculate on what profile they are looking for at SS. No NATS staff, so that rules out experience at the bigger airports. Unless there are ex-NATS staff out there who for whatever reason are no longer in the job but all-of-a-sudden fancy getting back in. GA units? One would hardly credit it. So someone from a larger non-NATS place - Liverpool/Donni/Newcastle etc. Probably a better bet. Or they could take someone who has had mostly just ADV experience, nothing bigger than a KingAir, no APP unit to co-ordinate with, sod all IFR/airways work, no LVP's much, no Wake Turbulence departures - I could go on. Why de I mention that? Because a certain ex-NATS single rwy, well known airport in the SE has just employed someone with that profile......
Now please forgive the bitterness (not really...) as I wish the person concerned all the very best. And at the end of the day if there is a successful validation out of it then one cannot possible moan. The choice of what must have simply been based on "raw talent" will have been justified, as the profile does not immediately look like a good match. So what do employers see and want in these HR-driven days? We've all supposedly got the same licences, which now extends to our European colleagues. What about one of them then?
I'd welcome your thoughts because from what I've seen of late it is all a bit of a mystery.......!
Now please forgive the bitterness (not really...) as I wish the person concerned all the very best. And at the end of the day if there is a successful validation out of it then one cannot possible moan. The choice of what must have simply been based on "raw talent" will have been justified, as the profile does not immediately look like a good match. So what do employers see and want in these HR-driven days? We've all supposedly got the same licences, which now extends to our European colleagues. What about one of them then?
I'd welcome your thoughts because from what I've seen of late it is all a bit of a mystery.......!
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Or they could take someone who has had mostly just ADV experience, nothing bigger than a KingAir, no APP unit to co-ordinate with, sod all IFR/airways work, no LVP's much, no Wake Turbulence departures - I could go on. Why de I mention that? Because a certain ex-NATS single rwy, well known airport in the SE has just employed someone with that profile......
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I would exho lissart's comment. We are in this so called amazing united european emirates where we all have the same licence and can go anywhere in europe to further progress our career or just look for a change of work your back side off for shareholders (sorry couldnt resist).
I have applied in germany, spain and italy only to be told i cannot apply which is really confusing since i thought in europe,there was no issue. Seems like the UK are the only ones that are taking people and now externally.
Good luck to all and hopefully the UK will be out of europe in late june
I have applied in germany, spain and italy only to be told i cannot apply which is really confusing since i thought in europe,there was no issue. Seems like the UK are the only ones that are taking people and now externally.
Good luck to all and hopefully the UK will be out of europe in late june
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I find the last comment quite interessting, because if consider that the ATCO license is "valid" internationally but actually if you apply in some countries (in Europe) it's almost impossible to get in. For example I got a ADI, APS rating plus i speak Italian (mother tongue) but I couldn't have any changes to get in Italy and work in a major airport to get a "new experience". I find this a bit sad and for sure not European mind set, in other terms I mean that aviation it's trying to standaraize everything (english level, phrasology, training, medical) but when we got finally that license, we can move pratically only inside or move in the Far East/Middle East or Africa (maybe). Why?
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For example I got a ADI, APS rating plus i speak Italian (mother tongue) but I couldn't have any changes to get in Italy and work in a major airport to get a "new experience".
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in some countries (in Europe) it's almost impossible to get in
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The CAA only employ ATCOs for office jobs
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So, just for fun let's speculate on what profile they are looking for at SS. No NATS staff, so that rules out experience at the bigger airports. Unless there are ex-NATS staff out there who for whatever reason are no longer in the job but all-of-a-sudden fancy getting back in. GA units? One would hardly credit it. So someone from a larger non-NATS place - Liverpool/Donni/Newcastle etc. Probably a better bet. Or they could take someone who has had mostly just ADV experience, nothing bigger than a KingAir, no APP unit to co-ordinate with, sod all IFR/airways work, no LVP's much, no Wake Turbulence departures - I could go on. Why de I mention that? Because a certain ex-NATS single rwy, well known airport in the SE has just employed someone with that profile......
Now please forgive the bitterness (not really...) as I wish the person concerned all the very best. And at the end of the day if there is a successful validation out of it then one cannot possible moan. The choice of what must have simply been based on "raw talent" will have been justified, as the profile does not immediately look like a good match. So what do employers see and want in these HR-driven days? We've all supposedly got the same licences, which now extends to our European colleagues. What about one of them then?
I'd welcome your thoughts because from what I've seen of late it is all a bit of a mystery.......!
Now please forgive the bitterness (not really...) as I wish the person concerned all the very best. And at the end of the day if there is a successful validation out of it then one cannot possible moan. The choice of what must have simply been based on "raw talent" will have been justified, as the profile does not immediately look like a good match. So what do employers see and want in these HR-driven days? We've all supposedly got the same licences, which now extends to our European colleagues. What about one of them then?
I'd welcome your thoughts because from what I've seen of late it is all a bit of a mystery.......!
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Ok I will ask, 3 miles what are HR actually looking for then. Personally we are so short staffed, (thank you mr I will give everybody VR who applies), that my criteria would be if you have a pulse start tomorrow.
