Birmingham drops Nats
I do find it sad when the only comments that people can make are regarding speling and grammer what they use.
Get a life and leave the rest of us to make worthwhile comments about the subject being discussed.
Get a life and leave the rest of us to make worthwhile comments about the subject being discussed.
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Originally Posted by T250
In terms of ATC, aren't we right to believe that all ATC personnel CAA licensed whether NATS or otherwise are all of the same or at least comparable ability and competence.
So really whoever the ATC provider is at BHX and LGW their level of service is the same, but the price they offer their services at is different.
To say otherwise is to open a can of worms is it not?
So really whoever the ATC provider is at BHX and LGW their level of service is the same, but the price they offer their services at is different.
To say otherwise is to open a can of worms is it not?
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Thanks for your condescending remarks.
What I was trying to get at is there is a common perception that NATS ATCOs are somehow 'better' or more 'advanced' than those provided by SERCO or HIAL or the various other ANSP providers.
Whatever you may wish to believe, it cannot be true for the very fact that to validate at any airport requires the bare competency to be a valid ATCO as well as a proper and competent understanding of the airport in which they work in.
Therefore the point I make is any (ADV/ADI rated) ATCO in the UK approved by the CAA could have the potential to validate and operate at Gatwick or Birmingham whether they be a NATS employee or not - there is nothing better or worse in controllers that are NATS or non-NATS. Get over yourself.
What I was trying to get at is there is a common perception that NATS ATCOs are somehow 'better' or more 'advanced' than those provided by SERCO or HIAL or the various other ANSP providers.
Whatever you may wish to believe, it cannot be true for the very fact that to validate at any airport requires the bare competency to be a valid ATCO as well as a proper and competent understanding of the airport in which they work in.
Therefore the point I make is any (ADV/ADI rated) ATCO in the UK approved by the CAA could have the potential to validate and operate at Gatwick or Birmingham whether they be a NATS employee or not - there is nothing better or worse in controllers that are NATS or non-NATS. Get over yourself.
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Succint, correct but your post will disturb all the loveys who think that all are equal in ability and brainpower in this eqalitarian world.
Antek, Fly does live in the real world where ability to validate matters. Apart from the ATC world take a look at the RAF pilot selection. Those that can go on to be fast Jet Jockeys whereas those that can't reach that standard fly transport aircraft or even, heaven forbid, become Navs or ATC .
Succint, correct but your post will disturb all the loveys who think that all are equal in ability and brainpower in this eqalitarian world.
Antek, Fly does live in the real world where ability to validate matters. Apart from the ATC world take a look at the RAF pilot selection. Those that can go on to be fast Jet Jockeys whereas those that can't reach that standard fly transport aircraft or even, heaven forbid, become Navs or ATC .
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old sayings
before this descends into it's all the Nazi's fault
Those that can do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach examine.
and those that like winding people up ???
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Those that can do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach examine.
and those that like winding people up ???
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Not quite... it goes "Those who can, do, those who can't, teach; those who can't teach, manage!
<<<for the very fact that to validate at any airport requires the bare competency to be a valid ATCO>>>
Dream on; in my experience, which included many years of training ATCOs, one needed a whole lot more than "bare competency" to validate.
<<<for the very fact that to validate at any airport requires the bare competency to be a valid ATCO>>>
Dream on; in my experience, which included many years of training ATCOs, one needed a whole lot more than "bare competency" to validate.
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So according to your remarks and the thesis that they purport, only ATCOs from NATS could ever validate at LGW?
Well let's hope that you're proven wrong when the contract changes, as if it does, I'm sure you will be
Well let's hope that you're proven wrong when the contract changes, as if it does, I'm sure you will be
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Stop taking the bate T250, I can see you have chips on both shoulders.
However it is a fact that not all controllers are capable are validating at all units, it's the same in everything. Now you maybe right, others may validate at Gatwick, if they lose th contract, however having worked in In a non Nats unit overseas, sometimes people validate because they are needed as there is a shortage, and not because they can actually do the job to any great ability.
Just think about sport, some are better than others.
However it is a fact that not all controllers are capable are validating at all units, it's the same in everything. Now you maybe right, others may validate at Gatwick, if they lose th contract, however having worked in In a non Nats unit overseas, sometimes people validate because they are needed as there is a shortage, and not because they can actually do the job to any great ability.
Just think about sport, some are better than others.
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T250 I have trained ATCOs at three airfields, both at home and abroad and I made no suggestioin that only NATS ATCOs could validate at Gatwick. Several non-NATS controllers came to Heathrow and validated quite quickly. I merely pointed out that you need more than the bare essentials to be a validated ATCO. Your profile suggests that you are a dancing clockwork mouse pilot so what experience have you to bring to this discussion?