Experienced Controllers obtaining employment with Nav Canada
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Experienced Controllers obtaining employment with Nav Canada
I was wondering if anyone knew if Nav Canada would ever reinstate the hiring of experienced controllers? From what I know, retirements are fairly steady and many places are short of controllers, surely it would make sense to get experienced personal who come with good atc backgrounds?!
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Not looking likely. I don't have any official knowledge, however, but I think that ship has sailed.
Why recruit foreigners, 90% of whom can qualify in 12 months when you can recruit cheap ab initios, 90% of which will not qualify after 2-3 years?
Why recruit foreigners, 90% of whom can qualify in 12 months when you can recruit cheap ab initios, 90% of which will not qualify after 2-3 years?
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What is the washout rate for new hires in Canada? That 90% was a joke I'd hope. I work for the FAA as an instructor and I'm just curious how our washouts compare to Canada's.
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I emailed them not so long ago and this was the response:
NAV CANADA no longer has an Experienced Controller Program as the results have not met our expectations. As a result, NAV CANADA will not be considering applications from foreign controllers. You are however, more than welcome to apply under the regular stream if you wish to do so providing you meet all the prerequisites to apply.
NAV CANADA no longer has an Experienced Controller Program as the results have not met our expectations. As a result, NAV CANADA will not be considering applications from foreign controllers. You are however, more than welcome to apply under the regular stream if you wish to do so providing you meet all the prerequisites to apply.
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Originally Posted by Naderhood
What is the washout rate for new hires in Canada? That 90% was a joke I'd hope.
Of those that walk through the classroom door on Day 1, close to 90% will not get licensed here. They may get close and go on to get licensed at quieter units, or return here after a few years and qualify easily, but the ab initio success rate (and seniority bid success rate for that matter) is not as high as we would like.
Sending ab initios to the busiest, most complex tower in the country is a waste of time and money IMHO, but seniority bids are relatively few, so we have to try. I believe we have had 3 ab initio qualifications in the last 7 years with two still in training and maybe a dozen seniority bid successes in the same time frame. That's running 2 courses of 5 per year.
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Originally Posted by ASD
as the results have not met our expectations
There were rumours of a "gentleman's agreement" between Nav and NATS which stopped the flow from the UK in 2005-ish.
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Its a bit silly, I am a Canadian Citizen and worked in the UK for over 15 years as a controller. It seems insane that they close the doors to a Canadian Citizen who has a proven track record at a busy International Airport both Approach radar and Tower ratings! Well, lets see what happens when they cannot get enough bums-on-seats with trainees!
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I've emailed them 2 days ago regarding the same issue. Well mine is more complex as I'm an EU citizen, so I have to be a permanent resident first.
They did however state I can start over, which might not be such a huge problem as I am young and started recently here.
Anyone knows if it's hard to become a permanent resident? And also how different is the testing in Canada compared to Eurocontrol's?
Or should I stay home?(I'd rather leave, I want more traffic, I know I can do better than here).
They did however state I can start over, which might not be such a huge problem as I am young and started recently here.
Anyone knows if it's hard to become a permanent resident? And also how different is the testing in Canada compared to Eurocontrol's?
Or should I stay home?(I'd rather leave, I want more traffic, I know I can do better than here).
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There were rumours of a "gentleman's agreement" between Nav and NATS which stopped the flow from the UK in 2005-ish.
NAV CANADA no longer has an Experienced Controller Program as the results have not met our expectations
There were problems at other ACCs which have been discussed on other threads. These other ACCs had/have low checkout rates aswell...and supposedly the foreign controllers could not adapt...or had lied about their qualifications (according to one poster previously). As I said at the time...to qualify for the program you had to have an ATC licence...which from the UK meant you had gone through some pretty thorough training and your validations were there to see.
Read into the "results" Canada wide as you will.
The worst thing about applying from scratch now (if you are already a controller) is you won't get paid till you reach an operational position. I can't think of many experienced controllers that would forgo a years pay just to move to Canada.
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I think the 'blocking-up' of the door was related to the movement of a U.K. ATC unit to a more, shall we say, 'Caledonian' environment.
Folks subsequently just went east and south-east instead of west.
A great shame.
Folks subsequently just went east and south-east instead of west.
A great shame.
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Fancy pointing me towards this "side door"??
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As can happen with any offshore joining a new ANSP, the matching of skill sets from previous place of employment to the new unit can be an issue. Just because somebody had a terminal/approach rating from else where, didn't necessarily mean they had worked a crossing runway operation (or a triple "cross"), or if they had come some somewhere that was very proceduralised and thrown into a free-for-all come from all directions set up. It's not always a sure thing on getting a rating.
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I concur, 100% success of the British invasion here at YYZ ATC. One left voluntary due to family circumstances but those that remained are still the best here :P
Unless, theyre falling off ladders eh Cossack??
Unless, theyre falling off ladders eh Cossack??