atco training in sussex?
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These are the training providers approved by the UK CAA
ATC Training Providers | Air Traffic Services | Operations and Safety
ATC Training Providers | Air Traffic Services | Operations and Safety
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Can't think of any ATC training that's been offered in Sussex (apart from at the airports themselves which can only be done after classroom-based training for the licence).
Your school friend maybe needs to be wary though. ATC training is a bit of a nightmare these days. The initial training for the licence is costly - running to tens of £000 for the tuition - and if he/she doesn't have somewhere to follow it up with practical training within a short period (a year, I think), the classroom stuff doesn't count anymore and it's back to square one. I think that's the worst case scenario but the rules are really draconian!
Your school friend maybe needs to be wary though. ATC training is a bit of a nightmare these days. The initial training for the licence is costly - running to tens of £000 for the tuition - and if he/she doesn't have somewhere to follow it up with practical training within a short period (a year, I think), the classroom stuff doesn't count anymore and it's back to square one. I think that's the worst case scenario but the rules are really draconian!
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Thanks guys..i was told (by him)that there is 9 months after graduating to start training but there is aapc or something that can be done is that right?am confused now though as there seems to one in shoreham is that not right?????????????
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AFAIK a student ATCO license is valid from date of issue for 2 years.
That is, you have 2 years to commence on the job training, but the training can be completed after the initial 2 year period
That is, you have 2 years to commence on the job training, but the training can be completed after the initial 2 year period
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An APC is "Assesment of Prior Competence" and is done if your student rating lapses before you start unit training. It is usually a short course (2 days or so I think) in the sim to check that you still remember the stuff you need to train.
If he has the chance to go with NATS though why not go for that, they will pay you to train, which is a lot cheaper than paying to do it (and then have to hunt for a job). It might be slow but still seems a much better option to me...
If he has the chance to go with NATS though why not go for that, they will pay you to train, which is a lot cheaper than paying to do it (and then have to hunt for a job). It might be slow but still seems a much better option to me...
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You're wrong about having 2 years to start training at a unit. I wish that was the case!!
You have 9 months to start a unit UTP from the date of finishing a student rating course, If you dont mange this then a APC is required (a minimum of 3 days btw). The student licence is valid for 2 years but you can apply to the caa for an extension on this if youve done APC's etc.
You have 9 months to start a unit UTP from the date of finishing a student rating course, If you dont mange this then a APC is required (a minimum of 3 days btw). The student licence is valid for 2 years but you can apply to the caa for an extension on this if youve done APC's etc.
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Sorry but what do you mean wary???????????are their crooks out their????
As you can see from the posts on the thread, the rules are not clear to people, some are, effectively, unwritten and they have been in an almost continuous state of flux for the last eight years or so as the European Commission, and now EASA issued guidance, interpretation, directives and regulations on the subject.
It's a bit of a minefield out there and the last thing that anyone starting out in the business needs is the pressure of having to find a job (and having nothing more than the initial training completed does not make anyone very attractive to potential employers, I'm afraid) knowing that a clock is ticking and that at a particular date everything will get more difficult.
The APC that has been mentioned is not really a course, more an examination (with the associated pressure) and at the end of it, if the assessors think the person needs to do more training or a refresher course, that's the only thing that will get them back to a situation where they can start the training at a unit, Oh, and there are no off the shelf refresher courses so maybe there's no practical option other than to do the whole course again. And, who does the assessment - usually the training establishment. I'm not suggesting anyone is a crook but it is a system that can be abused by the unscrupulous or lazy.
As Crazy says, it may be a long wait but if NATS offer training that is, by a wide margin, the easiest way to become a controller. But even then nothing is guaranteed - I believe the attrition rate during the training programme is (still) high and, like the training in some other aviation disciplines, the system is set up to handle failure rather than success. I'm not trying to deter your school friend - and it's a fine job - but there are a huge number of hurdles for anyone entering it these days.
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Digging around I can see that only globalats have a minimum of 3 days set for anyone to do aapc so not sure about the data you provide if i am honest.has anyone ever failed a apc????????????
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APC
I had to do an APC about 4 years ago and it took two and half days. Basically they run for as long as you are comfortable with controlling again, a verbal and then an assessed practical. And that's it, you have another 6 months to start UTP.
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YSB. Your friend needs to mug up on the Air Traffic Controllers licence and the best references in the UK are here:
Becoming an Air Traffic Controller | Air Traffic Personnel | Personal Licences and Training
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP744.PDF
Becoming an Air Traffic Controller | Air Traffic Personnel | Personal Licences and Training
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP744.PDF
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Results in from all three atc schools in GB on apc test
NATS person (HR) didn't know - but PM to me says as required
Global ATS - say min 3 days to be billed (funny that)
Resource Group no minimum as described by S7500
No more question marks sorry to offend you just trying to help my friend out
NATS person (HR) didn't know - but PM to me says as required
Global ATS - say min 3 days to be billed (funny that)
Resource Group no minimum as described by S7500
No more question marks sorry to offend you just trying to help my friend out
