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It's a long time since serco managed to announce a new ATC contract isn't it? Hardly a fine performance from the present Directorship....is it time to jump from the sinking ship?
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If this thread is still about Serco losing contracts please see the following press release. I believe the incumbent contractor was SERCO:
Airservices Australia wins US Air Traffic contract - 29/04
The United States Federal Aviation Administration today announced that Airservices Australia’s bid to provide tower air traffic control services had been successful.
"Airservices won the multi-million dollar Federal Contract Towers contract in an internationally competitive market", Airservices Chief Executive Officer, Bernie Smith said.
"The contract involves providing tower air traffic control services at four towers in Hawaii and two towers in US territories elsewhere in the Pacific (Guam and Saipan).
Mr Smith said the tender win demonstrates Airservices' competitive capability internationally and follows Government legislative changes in August 2003 to give Airservices greater freedom to operate commercially in Australia and overseas.
"This five year contract, which commences late 2004 or early 2005, fits well with our strategy to become a global leader in air navigation and airport service provision", Mr Smith said.
We will also be bringing back to Australia learnings gained from operating in US airspace to directly input into the airspace reform program currently underway in Australia under the auspices of the Minister for Transport and Regional Services, John Anderson."
Mr Smith said the contract demonstrated confidence in Airservices' professional management of safety critical services. "We look forward to providing an excellent standard of air traffic service for operators using this airspace", he said.
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Date: 17 November 2004
Airservices Australia wins US Air Traffic contract - 29/04
The United States Federal Aviation Administration today announced that Airservices Australia’s bid to provide tower air traffic control services had been successful.
"Airservices won the multi-million dollar Federal Contract Towers contract in an internationally competitive market", Airservices Chief Executive Officer, Bernie Smith said.
"The contract involves providing tower air traffic control services at four towers in Hawaii and two towers in US territories elsewhere in the Pacific (Guam and Saipan).
Mr Smith said the tender win demonstrates Airservices' competitive capability internationally and follows Government legislative changes in August 2003 to give Airservices greater freedom to operate commercially in Australia and overseas.
"This five year contract, which commences late 2004 or early 2005, fits well with our strategy to become a global leader in air navigation and airport service provision", Mr Smith said.
We will also be bringing back to Australia learnings gained from operating in US airspace to directly input into the airspace reform program currently underway in Australia under the auspices of the Minister for Transport and Regional Services, John Anderson."
Mr Smith said the contract demonstrated confidence in Airservices' professional management of safety critical services. "We look forward to providing an excellent standard of air traffic service for operators using this airspace", he said.
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Date: 17 November 2004
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Not too sure if it is the same thing as serco have just announced the retention of 54 tower contracts across western US from Alaska to California and Colorado, worth over $100million 
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Yeah, saw that one. I couldn't figure how they were going to make it pay - unless there's only one ATCO per tower and it's an office hours operation.
The cutting I saw suggested that it was $100m over TEN years (!?!), hence my amazement.
Even if it's $100m per year, that is going to be a very tight squeeze to get any profit out of it at 54 locations. It can only be for staff costs and nothing else AND for locations that are predominantly NOT H24.
Sceptical to the end.
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The cutting I saw suggested that it was $100m over TEN years (!?!), hence my amazement.
Even if it's $100m per year, that is going to be a very tight squeeze to get any profit out of it at 54 locations. It can only be for staff costs and nothing else AND for locations that are predominantly NOT H24.
Sceptical to the end.
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"8" out of "13" left after only 3 years surely it cant be all that bad!!!
But I have heard that at the largest atc contract that Serco have (in the UK)at the moment- ( too far north to mention)
at least 2 have resiged and another 2 are applying for jobs at parstures new!!
out of a staff of 8 that leaves ????????
any one for bags of overtime!!!!!
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the 1st replacement lasted a total of 44 hrs on Island!
But I have heard that at the largest atc contract that Serco have (in the UK)at the moment- ( too far north to mention)
at least 2 have resiged and another 2 are applying for jobs at parstures new!!
out of a staff of 8 that leaves ????????
any one for bags of overtime!!!!!
ps
the 1st replacement lasted a total of 44 hrs on Island!
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Maybe the reasons that those two had for handing in their notices were not due to dissatisfaction with Serco, but perhaps for reasons of a different nature.
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Maybe the reasons that those two had for handing in their notices were not due to dissatisfaction with Serco, but perhaps for reasons of a different nature.
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As many as two might go elsewhere with serco and one resigned in November to go to NATS at Cardiff. There may possibly be another lining up his options elsewhere. AMS reckon they can run it on 6 radar and one tower only but if they lose three from eight before they've even started then things'll be a bit choppy for them. Watch this space
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I heard that the new guys were intending to open for longer hours
and that overtime was no longer going to be paid. The staff after all will be on an annual salary, not paid per hour therefore o/t not required. Oh and I gather there'll be no tea kitty either 
Sometimes it would seem Serco aren't always that bad
and that overtime was no longer going to be paid. The staff after all will be on an annual salary, not paid per hour therefore o/t not required. Oh and I gather there'll be no tea kitty either Sometimes it would seem Serco aren't always that bad
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Hot rumour gleaned from within the NATS/Lulsgate negotiating team.
It is alleged that negotiations are at an advanced level for the approach control function and LARS for both Lulsgate and Filton to be done from exclusively from Lulsgate very shortly after NATS move in down the road.
Ultimately, (I imagine when infrastructure at W. Drayton or Swanwick allows), the plan is to move the function there and include Cardiff.
Only rumour I stress, albeit from a usually credible source, and I have no connection with or detailed knowledge of either unit.
It is alleged that negotiations are at an advanced level for the approach control function and LARS for both Lulsgate and Filton to be done from exclusively from Lulsgate very shortly after NATS move in down the road.
Ultimately, (I imagine when infrastructure at W. Drayton or Swanwick allows), the plan is to move the function there and include Cardiff.
Only rumour I stress, albeit from a usually credible source, and I have no connection with or detailed knowledge of either unit.
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OFF SUBJECT but how completely impractical a suggestion niknak. There is to be an agreement in place very shortly for a slight amendment to the division of LARS between Filton and Bristol, but based purely on a need to improve the line of split. Nothing else. Believe me, I know. Not rumour. How on earth could Bristol take on an even bigger chunk of LARS provision when their Commercial movements are rocketing sky high 
As for NATS, lets examin history. What happened when they took on Luton? They dumped LARS. What's more likely to happen when, and a very large if here, they take on Bristol? Consolidation with Cardiff? well who knows but that's been covered elsewhere, take on a larger LARS provision? I very seriously doubt it.
As for the approach control function for Filton being carried out from Lulsgate you have got to be joking. Filton's airport manager is very keen to maintain his autonomy. He doesn't want any outside interests affecting his business and this is one reason for taking on AMS a soon to be fully owned subsidiary of BAe. Maybe when the radar head stops turning he'll reconsider, but he does not want his approach done from anywhere else but Filton. And that's from the mouth of the horse
As for NATS, lets examin history. What happened when they took on Luton? They dumped LARS. What's more likely to happen when, and a very large if here, they take on Bristol? Consolidation with Cardiff? well who knows but that's been covered elsewhere, take on a larger LARS provision? I very seriously doubt it.
As for the approach control function for Filton being carried out from Lulsgate you have got to be joking. Filton's airport manager is very keen to maintain his autonomy. He doesn't want any outside interests affecting his business and this is one reason for taking on AMS a soon to be fully owned subsidiary of BAe. Maybe when the radar head stops turning he'll reconsider, but he does not want his approach done from anywhere else but Filton. And that's from the mouth of the horse