French ATC
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From: Madrid FIR
MJR,
Are you sure your profile is correct? You sound more like a Journo from one of the red tops than a civil servant. If you expect any constructive replies you need to come up with some more details of the ATC problems that have activated your 'Shock, Horror' instincts.
Are you sure your profile is correct? You sound more like a Journo from one of the red tops than a civil servant. If you expect any constructive replies you need to come up with some more details of the ATC problems that have activated your 'Shock, Horror' instincts.
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From: Worcs UK
How about continous use of inapproriate langauge leading to loss of situational awareness by aircrews.
Complete misuse of Air Traffic terminologies leading to ambiguity in instruction.
A childish mentality that ensures preferential treatment to French call signs, both in the air and on the ground.
How much more do you want?
Complete misuse of Air Traffic terminologies leading to ambiguity in instruction.
A childish mentality that ensures preferential treatment to French call signs, both in the air and on the ground.
How much more do you want?
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From: Bordeaux
And when, as a french atc, I talk with french pilots they complain because they consider they never have a preferential treatment in France...
By the way, where are your questions or your precise description of what need to be changed? Because I only found pointless rubbish in your post Mjr...
By the way, where are your questions or your precise description of what need to be changed? Because I only found pointless rubbish in your post Mjr...
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From: Bordeaux
No reason at all indeed. It was just an answer to mjr telling that AirFrance is always priviledged. We can'be criticized at the same time for giving priority to national carrier and not giving them priority! This only illustrates the fact that we do not take into account the nationality of the company.
Last edited by Nock; 18th October 2013 at 07:33.
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From: Bordeaux
Ok I see your point.
The explanation the pilots gave me: "other countries such as Spain, UK, Germany give priority to their flag carrier so why wouldn't you do so in France?"
This shows how difficult for a pilot it is to understand what is going on when dealing with ATC and how biased the notion of priority is...
Nock
The explanation the pilots gave me: "other countries such as Spain, UK, Germany give priority to their flag carrier so why wouldn't you do so in France?"
This shows how difficult for a pilot it is to understand what is going on when dealing with ATC and how biased the notion of priority is...
Nock
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From: USA
I never gave priority other than that which was mandated...e.g. hospital flight. The rest just got slotted in as efficiently as I could (even if some carriers could not quite appreciate the bigger picture).
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From: Berkshire, UK
<<"other countries such as Spain, UK, Germany give priority to their flag carrier...">>
As far as UK ATC goes, that is quite wrong. Many moons ago I showed an Air France crew around Heathrow ATC. The Captain said: "Why do you not give priority to British Airways as we get in France?".
As far as UK ATC goes, that is quite wrong. Many moons ago I showed an Air France crew around Heathrow ATC. The Captain said: "Why do you not give priority to British Airways as we get in France?".
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From: On a foreign shore trying a new wine diet. So far, I've lost 3days!
When all things are equal and two aircraft are equal contenders for that number one slot, be it number one to land, number one for the optimum flight level, who goes into the hold and who gets the straight-in, who gets slowed, who gets sped up there is only one consideration to be made. Who upgrades me when I fly with them. Leading contenders by a country mile are an airline with a "Boris" lookalike as head and an airline from the Persian Gulf that has a fleet of rather nice, large aircraft. Co-incidentally, both airlines make profits. Coincidence? 
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From: swanlake
I've never put any carrier ahead of another or seen a colleague do that either, unless categorised eg hosp flight. The traffic is positioned to what would be the most orderly and expeditious. It's keeps the cogs turning.
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From: Bordeaux
On the odd occasion when I saw someone try to give some sort of unofficial priority they just gave themselves extra work and hassle.
I think all ATC would agree on legend about priority!
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From: Scotland
The only time that I have given priority to an airline was when faced with a 50/50 situation involving MEA and my "national airline" in the sandpit. The MEA got the straight in, keep your speed up approach! The reason: MEA crews often invited us on board their B707/720s to give us the latest UK newspapers and to have a glass of orange juice. Little things make all the difference! 
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From: jersey
french atc
The assumption by some aircrew that certain airlines or traffic gets undue priority from some ATC operators always amuses me, as it betrays their complete misunderstanding of what is involved in organising a heavy & complex traffic loading.
Quite simply, ATC do not have the time or volition to rearrange traffic to suit favourite airlines or nationalities.
To do so would result in extra & an unwanted & complicated workload, & make a challenging situation even worse.
In 30 years I never did so; & I never witnessed any of my colleagues do so. Although, I did hear of one ATCO who avoided the stack at EGLL with a favourite airline of his, & he received a demotion as a result.
No names !
Quite simply, ATC do not have the time or volition to rearrange traffic to suit favourite airlines or nationalities.
To do so would result in extra & an unwanted & complicated workload, & make a challenging situation even worse.
In 30 years I never did so; & I never witnessed any of my colleagues do so. Although, I did hear of one ATCO who avoided the stack at EGLL with a favourite airline of his, & he received a demotion as a result.
No names !