Airfeilds with tw ICAO codes

[Skipness One Echo]

Airfields with two ICAO codes

I was wondering how this worked from a pratical standpoint. I recall Frankfurt used to have FRA and FRF (Rhein Main) which made sense to me as that was essentially passengers and parking related but how did it work where an airfield had a military ICAO code? I came across :
EGQE Abbotsinch which I assume was HMS Sanderling before Glasgow Airport opened?
However EGQG is HMS Gannet at Prestwick and EGQT was RAF Turnhouse. Would they ever file them on a flight plan even though noth are civilian airfields at EGPK and EGPH respectively?

Thanks!

[blissbak]

Pristina, due to political reason, has (had?) 2 location indicators, so that one day you're flying to LYPR and the other to BKPR, it depends on the routing and diplomatic clearance you need.

[Skipness One Echo]

But given your erudition in many posts,

Thanks, but no I was genuinely curious. I wasn't really aware that ICAO codes were used beyond flight planning and to a non ATC mind like mine that's getting from aerodrome A to aerodrome B. Rhein Main's FRF was used for ticketing passengers by runways were Frankfurt's although they did have their own ATC.

Thanks!

[SINGAPURCANAC]

Pristina

,Republic of Serbia , to be precise,

has ,only one , and to highlight that fact , ONE, legal code,
LYPR

Because, only Serbia, is member state of ICAO (founding member of ICAO , )and as such has a right to have a second letter,although it is not mandatory to be UN recognized state to have second letter. Many examples as such,Gibraltar,Palestine... to name some of it .

all Serbian provinces (Kosovo and Metohia included ) and municipalities, are under the same ICAO letter LY.

If any of local authorities ( that is here the case ) wants to change ICAO airport designation ,they just should ask.

If they didn't ask, than they have to refer to these who gave them that wrong and illegal letters.

So answer to your wrong statement, is ,
Pristina has only one legal ICAO designation,LYPR, although some users use illegal BKPR ,and they have enough fuel for that option.

[M-ONGO]

Well, it was BKPR on my nav display when we flew past it today. I understand where you're coming from though, just take LCEN Ercan, Cyprus as another illegal example. This also shows up on the ND when transiting the area.

Oh, and LYPR does not show on jepp, only BKPR.

[SINGAPURCANAC]

It will help us if you read what is written and what was asked.
"Airports with two Icao codes"
some examples were given, with reason or no, i don't know, and one wrong example has been given,Pristina.

Pristina has no two ICAO codes. As a part Serbia, Pristina itl airport has only one ICAO code. LYPR

If you meet another airport code BKPR, it is worth to know that this one is illegal ( i.e not recognized by ICAO assembly or any other ICAO document as such )
if you follow illegal things than you have to pay ( in this case a little bit more fuel) .

Jeppsen or your nav display is not ICAO assembly/document ,if anybody asks you.

nevermind, these facts doesn't represent my personal political opinion/ideas and I wouldn't express them on aviation forum.

second, as I am aware from next spring will be possible to transit directly over southern Serbia, I don't know details but probably deps/arrivals from Pristina (LYPR ) will be allowed to fly convenient routes/levels.
stay tuned ,someone will know to explain.

The last,but not least, it would probably mean that either LYPR or BKPR will be available for dct routing or so.
but it still doesn't mean that two ICAO airport codes will be recognized by ICAO assembly .
It will be just tolerated .

[eglnyt]

Actually Pristina did and probably still has two ICAO codes. The definitive guide to the codes is ICAO's Doc 7910 and that document has contained two codes for Pristina since 2004. BKPR has a note to say it was issued temporarily but it's still a valid ICAO code.

[blissbak]

Singapur, technically both codes are in use everyday, depending on whether crews made Serbians happy to let them fly via the Blace VOR or not .
You may like it or not (and I can understand ) , but this is not the right place and for sure we can do nothing to help you.

Regards and happy night shift everybody.

[SINGAPURCANAC]

it is not question about personal opinion or not.

LYPR is only one legal.

BKPR also exists, and it works(and will work even better in future ). But it is not completely legal, to be polite. I do not want and will not enter further discussion on that issue.

there were a few pages, some time ago, explaining this issue on prune. ( Coincidentally or not, when this issue was clearly explained by people in the matters , thread was removed )

On my own language for these cases we are using one sentence ( I will try to translate with all possible limitations) :

Even if it is written on fence, nobody will "jump" on it

More depict explanation via pm


Vice versa is also applicable.

[galaxy flyer]

FWIW, PHNL is Honolulu Int'l and PHIK is Hickam AFB, same runways, just a different ramp.

GF

[M-ONGO]

It will help us if you read what is written and what was asked.

What an attitude! This is a pilots forum, not political. I won't go there, having flown there during the conflict.

I say again, it is BKPR on Jepps. In an emergency situation looking for the nearest suitable, there is no LYPR in the EFB. It's still the same area with mostly (but not all) mediocre controllers and dulcet tones, I know.

Pretty area to fly around low level though. It's been a few years since I did that, in Kosovo...

Anything to sort this mess out and route overhead instead of around via ALELU or VAGEN would be welcome though.

[orgASMic]

SOE - you are confusing two different types of code in your opening post. The 3 letter codes you quote are IATA codes; they will determine where your luggage goes. The 4 letter codes are ICAO codes and are used for AFTN messaging, flight planning, etc. So if your destination is Frankfurt Main, your flight plan will be addressed to EDDF but your luggage tag will say FRA. The latest NOREU ERS only shows one of each for Frankfurt Main (though it is still listed as a USAF/German civil airfield) as Rhein Main AB closed in Dec 2005.

An airfield might have both civil and military ICAO codes so that messages go to the right side of the airfield. Similarly, the next 4 letters in the ICAO code will send that message to the right department on that side of the airfield.

[UpperATC]

@M-ONGO

Anything to sort this mess out and route overhead instead of around via ALELU or VAGEN would be welcome though.

April 2014, as far as I know. HungaroControl as a service provider (remotely).

[Skipness One Echo]

SOE - you are confusing two different types of code in your opening post. The 3 letter codes you quote are IATA codes; they will determine where your luggage goes. The 4 letter codes are ICAO codes and are used for AFTN messaging, flight planning, etc. So if your destination is Frankfurt Main, your flight plan will be addressed to EDDF but your luggage tag will say FRA.

Forgive me I wasn't clear, I am also struggling to edit my iPhone spelling howler in the thread titles. I think, from a layman's understanding, I could understand the FRA / FRF split, each on differing sides of shared runways, one civil, one military. I can see how IATA baggage and ticketing would be different. I guess from a flight planning perspective I imagined them as the same airfield, which they're not. I imagine one could file to HMS Gannet using rotary equipment without touching a runway at EGPK so EGQG does make some sense. Thanks for the helpful replies!

[chevvron]

Manston had two for many years (EGUM/EGMH) followed by Farnborough (EGUF/EGLF) and Bedford (EGVW/EGSV). A policy change at the CAA removed the military one for Farnborough, then Bedford closed and eventually became EGBF and Manston became civilian anyway.

[Lon More]

The ICAO codes for Frankfurt were EDDF an EDAf. The first being civil, the second military. Similarly, EBMB an EBBR for Melsbroek and Zaventem.

It was once explained to me that the UK locators were allocated on the connection to the AFTN network. So EGTT, EGTH, etc. were on one circuit. EGGP, EGGW were on another