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Old 11th Mar 2012, 15:19
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I don't recall when you retired HD,but NATS has changed beyond all recognition over the past 10 or so years. It is not the organisation that I joined back in 1978.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 15:47
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So I'm told EW.. Great shame. I retired 9 years ago.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 19:44
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I just provided the best service I could whatever language the "suits" used!
we still do.

A lot of organisations have changed since 1978. Not just Nats.
Perhaps the business model from 1978 was never going to be sustainable. It had to change at some point and it certainly has!
Not that I am a big fan of Nats in 2012, but do you guys really think it's much better elsewhere?
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 20:22
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Why not ask those who have gone to Canada and Abu Dhabi?
Some great people, who, sadly, don't seem in a great hurry to return.
- A shame.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 20:25
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Perhaps the business model from 1978 was never going to be sustainable. It had to change at some point and it certainly has!
Don't misunderstand me I know that the model we had had to change. The difference is startling and particularly if.like HD.you have retired it can be difficult to take in the scale of change.

Not everything is a change for the worse....but there is an awful lot of BS as well.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 21:03
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<<the business model>>

More management yukspeak.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 21:58
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I've actually lost track of who I work for nowadays.
It was the CAA, Then NATS, Then NATS but a different NATS, Then NSL, Now NATS again, but one of a selection box of different NATS.
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 08:59
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And further back... Min of Av, Board of Trade, Dept of This, That and the other.....
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 09:22
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I used to work for natCs, the C stood for control and if you ask me things were never the same when the image consultants, or whoever it was dropped the C.
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 15:31
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NAT C's???
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 16:21
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Yup, NATCS...
Heady days...
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 17:30
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Fila

Don't know where you heard that the College was short of instructors...pay has gone up massively in the last two years.....now a cool £100k p.a. job.
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 18:28
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And they'll soon need every penny to purchase water from folk oop north.
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 18:29
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...a cool £100k p.a.
That should ensure that they're good instructors too!
 
Old 12th Mar 2012, 19:03
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What you mean paying such a ridiculous salary will guarantee they don't get deadbeats who only instruct because they're useless at controlling?
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 19:27
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Nah,
it's just that, traditionally, you have to pay 'big bucks' to attract ATCOs to work in a semi-arid environment.

Good job the head of training has some experience in the piping of water.

The "Southern Campus" should sail through this crisis with Flying Colours*.

*Wonder what happened to them?

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Old 12th Mar 2012, 20:10
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...traditionally, you have to pay 'big bucks' to attract ATCOs to work in a semi-arid environment.
Ahhhh, sorry, with you now. At first, when you said semi-arid, I was thinking you meant culturally!
 
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If, hypothetically, one was already a qualified Instructor and wanted to be a full time instructor with NATS, who, hypothetically, might one contact?
Is it all done via Capita or are there ways to circumnavigate that route (hypothetically of course).
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Old 15th Mar 2012, 14:42
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Crikey! I'm almost there!
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