NATS to take over spanish ATC?
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NATS to take over spanish ATC?
Hello all,
I heard an interesting rumour recently about NATS bidding for the contracts to take over the training, and management of spanish ATC.
Anyone know anything?
I heard an interesting rumour recently about NATS bidding for the contracts to take over the training, and management of spanish ATC.
Anyone know anything?
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...and the winners are :
AENA adjudica a Ferrovial y Saerco las torres de control de 13 aeropuertos · ELPAÍS.com
AENA adjudica a Ferrovial y Saerco las torres de control de 13 aeropuertos · ELPAÍS.com
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Dear Spanish fellow atcos, is it finally time to understand that the moment to launch THE Company which I call since so for a long time came?
Just do it... be ready to sell your knowledge to FerroNats, AENA or Searco on before 02/05 T'nC...
Just do it... be ready to sell your knowledge to FerroNats, AENA or Searco on before 02/05 T'nC...
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A bit of context to this...
We have general elections on november 20th. The currently ruling party is expected to get their worst results ever giving absolute mayority to the conservative party, PP.
The current opposition has repeatedly said that they find it a shame that valuable state property is auctioned in a hot sale two months before the responsible for the spanish atc situation must go and with the spanish legislative (congress and senate) alredy dissolved.
Personally I'm convinced that if the situation was the opposite they would do exactly the same. Also that their interest in stopping the sale on which I'm sure that a lot of government's cronies are going to get a profit is just in order to get their own friends on the budget.
And meanwhile our dear minister of public works stating that there should be low-cost airports like there are low-cost airlines... he wasn't stupid enough to name which ones, though... some reflexes before elections at least.
Do you honestly believe that the service quality will raise as a result of this? If I am correctly informed, those airports in UK where Ferrovial has had its hand have experienced a sharp decline in customer satisfaction.
In any case, we shall see.
By the way, a spanish proverb says: "otros vendrán que bueno me harán" meaning that those coming after me will make my deeds seem very positive.
We have general elections on november 20th. The currently ruling party is expected to get their worst results ever giving absolute mayority to the conservative party, PP.
The current opposition has repeatedly said that they find it a shame that valuable state property is auctioned in a hot sale two months before the responsible for the spanish atc situation must go and with the spanish legislative (congress and senate) alredy dissolved.
Personally I'm convinced that if the situation was the opposite they would do exactly the same. Also that their interest in stopping the sale on which I'm sure that a lot of government's cronies are going to get a profit is just in order to get their own friends on the budget.
And meanwhile our dear minister of public works stating that there should be low-cost airports like there are low-cost airlines... he wasn't stupid enough to name which ones, though... some reflexes before elections at least.
Do you honestly believe that the service quality will raise as a result of this? If I am correctly informed, those airports in UK where Ferrovial has had its hand have experienced a sharp decline in customer satisfaction.
In any case, we shall see.
By the way, a spanish proverb says: "otros vendrán que bueno me harán" meaning that those coming after me will make my deeds seem very positive.
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Would you believe about 12 years ago, Paul Reid was a mere ATCO 3 at City, now he's MD of NSL!!!! How's that for a meteoric rise in salary and power! (Presumably he has minimal operational experience)
I only met him once, and he struck me as being very fond of the sound of his own voice.
I only met him once, and he struck me as being very fond of the sound of his own voice.
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Serco will solve it
do you really believe Mariano will stop the deal after the 20N ???...
I think the privatisation here is unstoppable because there is a lot of money involved and a lot of people (politicians included) are expecting to earn easy money from it.
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It's Saerco, not Serco. It's a spanish company created by another aviation related company (helicopter sector, known as the "spanish Ryanair").
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The other company to which you refer do not have the resources to even be considered for the original bid.
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And nobody special when he came to LHR, apart from in PL's eyes. His meteoric rise is a sad indictment of NATS!
Seemed fairly straightforward when I met him.....
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No, it is Serco, the UK Company, who formed Saerco for the purposes of this bid
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SERCO having ATC knowledge? That's a laugh, Gisajob left years ago and HE was their ATC knowledge. They're just a money making management company pure and simple.
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No, it is Serco, the UK Company, who formed Saerco for the purposes of this bid
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For the record....The winners are Ferronats and Saerco.
Serco and a joint venture partner did bid but were unsuccessful. Serco and Saerco should not be confused in this context. Saerco are a virtual unknown and the fact that they achieved ANSP certification is evidence that there was a great deal of dodgy dealing, bureaucracy and politics involved in the selection process.
It will be very interesting to see what happens now given the elections issue and the transition from one provider to another.
Let the games begin.....
Serco and a joint venture partner did bid but were unsuccessful. Serco and Saerco should not be confused in this context. Saerco are a virtual unknown and the fact that they achieved ANSP certification is evidence that there was a great deal of dodgy dealing, bureaucracy and politics involved in the selection process.
It will be very interesting to see what happens now given the elections issue and the transition from one provider to another.
Let the games begin.....