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Common Traffic Advisory Frequency aka UNICOM.
Used at airfields with no established ATS, so would not be appropriate at RHADS as they have an established ATC set-up. Not quite sure what the OP is driving at.
Used at airfields with no established ATS, so would not be appropriate at RHADS as they have an established ATC set-up. Not quite sure what the OP is driving at.
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RHADS=Doncaster? What happened to the old EG** system? A close by thread talks about a reunion at "LBIA", which I took to be in Bulgaria but the bloke actually means Leeds!! That was EGNM in my language.
Back to my Horlicks.
Back to my Horlicks.
Going by orgASMic's defintion, I was under the impression we already have CTAF in the form of Safetycom.
It would have been ideal at Doncaster Airport, but sadly that bit of land just across the road from the racecourse has been a housing estate for many years due to a greedy council selling it to developers. I think bad bear must be referring to the former RAF station near the former Rossington Colliery which some misguided company re-developed a few years ago so that when it failed to attract traffic, they could build houses there too.
It would have been ideal at Doncaster Airport, but sadly that bit of land just across the road from the racecourse has been a housing estate for many years due to a greedy council selling it to developers. I think bad bear must be referring to the former RAF station near the former Rossington Colliery which some misguided company re-developed a few years ago so that when it failed to attract traffic, they could build houses there too.
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HD, my apologies. No confusion was intended.
For your further amusement/frustration, it is entirely possible for Liverpool John Lennon Airport to masquerade as Lubljana ACC. I blame Labour Councils and their populist manifestos.
ICAO codes only from now on, I promise.
For your further amusement/frustration, it is entirely possible for Liverpool John Lennon Airport to masquerade as Lubljana ACC. I blame Labour Councils and their populist manifestos.
ICAO codes only from now on, I promise.
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The CTAF idea is used in other parts of the world where trafic density is low and relies on pilots making blind transmissions and resolving conflicts them selves. It works well. Places that have only one commercial movement an hour could save a lot of money by dispensing with full ATC. I think it could be a useful tool to cover ATC sickness or shifts when there is next to no traffic. Possibly the quieter airports like Teeside, Dundee, Oban, Carlisle and other sleepy airfields could cut costs by adopting this.
Can struggling airports afford to continue covering a fully manned 7 day ATC tower covering mandatory breaks, sickness, leave etc when their group is loosing millions?
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Can struggling airports afford to continue covering a fully manned 7 day ATC tower covering mandatory breaks, sickness, leave etc when their group is loosing millions?
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Even low traffic airports with iaps require full ATC in the UK. In some parts of Scotland for instance, airports such as Islay might only have one scheduled IFR arrival per day, but they still have to have ATC, basically because if a second aircraft turns up unnanounced and also wants to fly the iap, only an ATCO can provide the necessary instructions to separate them.
Not forgetting of course, that the CAA have a mandate to require the aerodrome authority to provide a certain level of ATS (ATC, FIS or A/G) depending how complex they decide the traffic situation might become at any time.
Thinks: What makes me suspect bad bear and Fuzzy 6898 are the same person?
Not forgetting of course, that the CAA have a mandate to require the aerodrome authority to provide a certain level of ATS (ATC, FIS or A/G) depending how complex they decide the traffic situation might become at any time.
Thinks: What makes me suspect bad bear and Fuzzy 6898 are the same person?
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<<Possibly the quieter airports like Teeside, Dundee, Oban, Carlisle and other sleepy airfields could cut costs by adopting this.>>
Several of those have passenger carrying scheduled movements. Are you proposing a sort of "DIY ATC"?
Several of those have passenger carrying scheduled movements. Are you proposing a sort of "DIY ATC"?
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Even low traffic airports with iaps require full ATC in the UK. In some parts of Scotland for instance, airports such as Islay might only have one scheduled IFR arrival per day, but they still have to have ATC, basically because if a second aircraft turns up unnanounced and also wants to fly the iap, only an ATCO can provide the necessary instructions to separate them.
Several of those have passenger carrying scheduled movements. Are you proposing a sort of "DIY ATC"?
As I say it seems to work in other parts of the world with similar aeroplanes
How many controllers are needed to cover 7am till 10 pm 7 days per week and how much do they get paid?
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According to the UK ANO article 172, any aerodrome with a holding, let-down or approach aid must provide an approach control service. So "full" ATC is required, regardless of how busy the aerodrome is.
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Oban is providing a FISO service these days. Latest news is the airport is not to receive further backing from Argyll and Bute Council. Great shame, if true. Nice little airport.
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Chevvron you'll find Islay (EGPI) is a FISO unit only and the let down procedure is only available to the Company that publishes the let down procedure. Strict PPR keeps conflictions to a minimum I would imagine.