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Old 30th Sep 2010, 20:00
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<<'do I like him' is not an objective on the training reports>>

Whether one "liked" a trainee is irrelevant and I never mentioned anything like that - did anyone else?
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Thumbs up

" 'do I like him' is not an objective on the training reports".

Objectives at our unit - "Reaction to criticism" and "Ability to operate as part of a team" -
seems to cover it nicely eh?
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expediteoff.... Brilliant and very sensible.
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er... no, that doesn't cover it. You need specific examples of losing their rag while controlling or not functioning as a team member while controlling. Whether someone is noisy and obnoxious in the rest room or winds you up on a forum is irrelevant. Sitting back and asking yourself 'can I work with this guy' is purely subjective and has no place on a training report. Most of us have probably endured the OJTI who allows his 'gut' feelings to muddy what should be a factual training report.
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Most of us have probably endured the OJTI who allows his 'gut' feelings to muddy what should be a factual training report.
And I'm sure some of us have been the OJTI who didn't like the trainee and recused themselves from trianing them in case those 'gut' feelings harmed the trainee's chances.

Happnened to me twice so far.
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Old 1st Oct 2010, 20:26
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Six months before I had been the most experienced Herc nav on my squadron at DL, people respected me and asked my opinion. So what did I do? I made the tea, I wanted to validate as I had a wife and 3 kids to support,I had applied to the CAA for a job,they hadn't come headhunting for me.I can not imagine anyone being so accepting now!
IMHO that is not true. A non-valid Nats trainee in the 90s was making more money than a valid ATCO today on the T&D scale.
Current trainees today get put on hold sometimes for months, waiting for an opportunity to start live training, stuck on a minimum wage with no backpay when they eventually validate.
Or doing full time ATSA duties while being paid less than half of an ATSA wage.
The list could go on. Who's not so accepting??
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Old 3rd Oct 2010, 14:48
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At the end of the day there is nothing an OJTI likes more than a mouthy student. I am not suggesting the mr garibaldi is a mouthy student, he has a long way to go before he gets to that stage, but don't take on your OJTI, he knows way more than you despite what you might think. Keep your ears open and your mouth closed and if you make it, you can adopt your 'I don't take sh*t from anyone' attitude. Good luck because with that attitude you will need it.
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Old 5th Oct 2010, 21:12
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IMHO that is not true. A non-valid Nats trainee in the 90s was making more money than a valid ATCO today on the T&D scale.
Ah yes, those were the days. Barely a decade ago I was drawing down the best part of 35k a year with no responsibility to speak of as a TC trainee.
How times have changed.
As for biscuit boy and his outbursts. He seems like a well balanced lad to me.
A chip on each shoulder.
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Old 5th Oct 2010, 21:44
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Fly Biscuit Boy....

...seems not unlike most ATCO's I've ever known,chips included.Now if he can only learn the art of being a trainee and then unleash his full potential after that.Amber Watch TC perhaps?
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