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My first post on here, get it off my chest time.
Any one else at Swanwick bemused by the attitude of some (majority) of the ATSA's?
I work there in administration and am constantly amazed at these self important poeple wanting it all ways. With rumours gathering of large lay offs I cannot understand their attitude to the organisation in general.
They are so hard done by - cant survive unless they get good rises etc but try getting some of them in for overtime, my god talk about the world owing them a living. Had an instance 2 weeks ago when some were told at the weekend they were not needed and could go, well they could of been home an hour earlier without going round gloating, oh look they are going to pay me for sitting at home! Well wise up chaps, you could be sitting at home for agreat deal longer.
On another point I read on an older thread about the re-location issue, the poster stated that anyone who had not relocated should not be at a disadvantage should it come to redundancy, how can that be fair?
I relocated my family at great upheaval from west london because we were expected too, now it seems large groups of the workforce are driving 60 plus miles and then expect to be fresh and alert to do a shift. This just can't be right. Would be interesting to see absenteeism figures for the poeple that are travelling long distance, I know of one guy, wont name him, who took a day off sick because he had .................hiccups!
Says it all really
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Any one else at Swanwick bemused by the attitude of some (majority) of the ATSA's?
I work there in administration and am constantly amazed at these self important poeple wanting it all ways. With rumours gathering of large lay offs I cannot understand their attitude to the organisation in general.
They are so hard done by - cant survive unless they get good rises etc but try getting some of them in for overtime, my god talk about the world owing them a living. Had an instance 2 weeks ago when some were told at the weekend they were not needed and could go, well they could of been home an hour earlier without going round gloating, oh look they are going to pay me for sitting at home! Well wise up chaps, you could be sitting at home for agreat deal longer.
On another point I read on an older thread about the re-location issue, the poster stated that anyone who had not relocated should not be at a disadvantage should it come to redundancy, how can that be fair?
I relocated my family at great upheaval from west london because we were expected too, now it seems large groups of the workforce are driving 60 plus miles and then expect to be fresh and alert to do a shift. This just can't be right. Would be interesting to see absenteeism figures for the poeple that are travelling long distance, I know of one guy, wont name him, who took a day off sick because he had .................hiccups!
Says it all really
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cant survive unless they get good rises etc but try getting some of them in for overtime
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the pointed end, 2/10 for effort.
Otherwise pretty poor attempt at a wind up really. If I was writing you a report card it would be along the lines of 'could do better, must try harder'.
Hopefully my atsa chums will just ignore you.
Otherwise pretty poor attempt at a wind up really. If I was writing you a report card it would be along the lines of 'could do better, must try harder'.
Hopefully my atsa chums will just ignore you.
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EGLL19791986... Jeezzz.. I must have sat alongside you sometime? Hope the nightmares are easing up!!
As for the originator.. I think he needs a few months of night duties to sort him out!!
Bren M (ex A-Watch Hounslow Goods Yard and then West Drayton Open Prison).
As for the originator.. I think he needs a few months of night duties to sort him out!!
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HI Bren. Well you might not have sat beside me, but I probably put your strips out for you on a few occasions!
Hope you are enjoying your retirement, don't worry you're not missing much by not being at Swanwick!!
Hope you are enjoying your retirement, don't worry you're not missing much by not being at Swanwick!!
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Pointy thing.
Your attitude to operational staff is indicitive of the administrative staff at airports and within ATC, nice enough people but the chips on your shoulders require an articulated lorry to get you to and from the office.
The vast majority of your type are probably very good at counting pens, reams of paper and formulating next months stationary order on a spreadsheet, indeed, you are probably capable of putting out a stonking memo or two about use of the photocopier.
I dare say that you could surpass any of our armed forces in serving our Queen and country by boring the enemy to death in any given conflict, but when it comes to doing an operational job in aviation you wouldn't have a clue.
Now run along before I secretly increase your ink cartridge order and arrange for it to be delivered by a different driver on a Tuesday morning instead of the chap who's always done it on a Thursday - just after lunch.
Your attitude to operational staff is indicitive of the administrative staff at airports and within ATC, nice enough people but the chips on your shoulders require an articulated lorry to get you to and from the office.
The vast majority of your type are probably very good at counting pens, reams of paper and formulating next months stationary order on a spreadsheet, indeed, you are probably capable of putting out a stonking memo or two about use of the photocopier.
I dare say that you could surpass any of our armed forces in serving our Queen and country by boring the enemy to death in any given conflict, but when it comes to doing an operational job in aviation you wouldn't have a clue.
Now run along before I secretly increase your ink cartridge order and arrange for it to be delivered by a different driver on a Tuesday morning instead of the chap who's always done it on a Thursday - just after lunch.
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However there do seem to be a number of easily bruised egos out there
Before jumping down my neck, I did my time as an ATCA (Min. of Av.and CAA as was0
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Having previously worked without assistants, I know how wonderfully valuable they are, whether you need them to help with an emergency, or just one of those silly days when the PBX line seems to go nuts for no real reason.
I can function without an ATSA, but where I work? They're worth their weight in platinum.
Thanks, guys!
I can function without an ATSA, but where I work? They're worth their weight in platinum.
Thanks, guys!
At the airfield where I worked there was an ex ATCA who was in admin (but not NATS admin)- he was one of those who declined to transfer to the CAA when it was created back in '75 and transferred to another branch of the civil service - remember NATS and NATCS had been Department of Trade and Industry and before that Board of Trade. It was apparent there was a hell of a chip on his shoulder by his attitude to ATC staff. Remind you of someone?
The pointed end; were you an ATSA at one time?
The pointed end; were you an ATSA at one time?
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The Pointed One.
If (and its a big if) you are correct and that some ATSAs do have "an attitude" then perhaps it is a response to the general attitude and culture at Swanwick towards them, both individually and collectively.
If (and its a big if) you are correct and that some ATSAs do have "an attitude" then perhaps it is a response to the general attitude and culture at Swanwick towards them, both individually and collectively.
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Wonderful people, couldn't eat a whole one anymore though
On a serious note, the ops rooms couldn't run without ATSAs. They do a fantastic job, certainly make our controllers' jobs easier.