vertical separation at FL600
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vertical separation at FL600
I once had to "move" the Concord due traffic which happened to be an SR71. I am curious as to how many other ATCs ever had to move a Concord due to other traffic at FL600
Somehow, I remember that FAA .65 direction was 5000 feet of vertical separation above FL600. Obviously, it was a rare event that a controller had to separate two targets above FL 600.
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I seem to remember that if either of these aircraft were in the climb or descent phase i.e. 39000 - 50000 they did not want to take vectors (or couldn't, particularly Concorde).
In level flight no particular problem.
When both were operating in the descent/climb phase in the same (rather large geopraphical) area it sterilised a rather large block of airspace.
In level flight no particular problem.
When both were operating in the descent/climb phase in the same (rather large geopraphical) area it sterilised a rather large block of airspace.
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At London Mil in '74 I had to move my flight test Concorde to avoid the French one also on a flight test. Tried to coordinate with Mazout radar, but no luck (Quelle surprise!). Got a bit close 
. Luckily both were Mach 1+, so visors raised with little chance of seeing each other.
. Luckily both were Mach 1+, so visors raised with little chance of seeing each other.
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I remember your 'happening'.
The levels Concorde used to cruise at were much lower than those of the SR71. This 'Bird' used to switch on its Mode C when leaving 80,000' in the descent. It would have been a rare occasion for both 'Birds' to have been in level flight in the same area at the same time.
Due to the specific operating parameters of both 'Birds' it is difficult to envisage how Blackbirdman would have had to move 'Concord' unless it was in level flight and the SR71 was in climb/descent mode.
I look forward to more specific details of his 'happening'.
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I remember your 'happening'.
The levels Concorde used to cruise at were much lower than those of the SR71. This 'Bird' used to switch on its Mode C when leaving 80,000' in the descent. It would have been a rare occasion for both 'Birds' to have been in level flight in the same area at the same time.
Due to the specific operating parameters of both 'Birds' it is difficult to envisage how Blackbirdman would have had to move 'Concord' unless it was in level flight and the SR71 was in climb/descent mode.
I look forward to more specific details of his 'happening'.
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From what I recall, most of the SR71 operational flights (anyone remember Colonel Toby??) were initially to the north, then off to the land where the sun don't shine. I can't think of any Concorde route that would coincide with this. Maybe Blackbirdman's incident took place during a special SR71 operation, such as the transatlantic record flights.
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I remember the first time he came to UK airspace for the farnbourough airshow....I was on the Allocators position at London Mil when he called for a service coming off the ocean.....he said he was above FL660 and even remember the C/S Aspen01 
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Concorde vs SR71
1st post-concorde on xmas santa flight routing towards what used to be DANDI, supersonic and climbing, talking to me, SR71 returning opp direction maintaining radio silence (only allowed to be contacted by Eastern Mil if absolutely necessary) - lots of frantic co-ordinations between Eastern civil and mil, but all ended happily!
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My Bro used to control both at Border Radar in the late 70's. He used to say the '71 would only paint about 4 times crossing his airspace.
Concorde was used for interception practise and did get bounced by a lock on from a female scopie who launched her interceptors - 'on a hunch'.
Women
Concorde was used for interception practise and did get bounced by a lock on from a female scopie who launched her interceptors - 'on a hunch'.
Women
Tobzalp -- you were waaay to quick to jump in with that "BS" comment.
I am one of many ppruners who know this particular OP very well. He is a retired ATCO from YVR and we just recently talked him into having a look at pprune. (He's an old fart ya know, not too sure about this here internet thingy -- the radar was steam driven in those days.)
Everyone who worked in SEA or OAK or YVR in 1986 knows the story well. And I was lucky enough to be controlling that day too. Expo 86, along with the Abbotsford Airshow. Concorde was in town for both. Had departed YVR westbound out over the Pacific for a special "tour" -- full of dignitaries, politicians, etc. Whilst enjoying the view at FL600, an SR71 came blasting up (originally from Beale of course) northbound over "the water" and when he began his (HUGE) turn east (to go south again) that very controller had to tell the Concorde to "maintain FL580". The incredulous comments from the somewhat "uppity" Concorde Captain -- and the controller's replies, are for another time!
Welcome (finally) to pprune, blackbirdman!
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I am one of many ppruners who know this particular OP very well. He is a retired ATCO from YVR and we just recently talked him into having a look at pprune. (He's an old fart ya know, not too sure about this here internet thingy -- the radar was steam driven in those days.)
Everyone who worked in SEA or OAK or YVR in 1986 knows the story well. And I was lucky enough to be controlling that day too. Expo 86, along with the Abbotsford Airshow. Concorde was in town for both. Had departed YVR westbound out over the Pacific for a special "tour" -- full of dignitaries, politicians, etc. Whilst enjoying the view at FL600, an SR71 came blasting up (originally from Beale of course) northbound over "the water" and when he began his (HUGE) turn east (to go south again) that very controller had to tell the Concorde to "maintain FL580". The incredulous comments from the somewhat "uppity" Concorde Captain -- and the controller's replies, are for another time!
Welcome (finally) to pprune, blackbirdman!
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Slight thread shift but Bro (aka old git) had a request from a Septic to depart the FIR vertically..............
Said he would check.
Yep.
The said F14,15,16 - whatever did just that.
Got airborne - went vertical and disappeared.
Wish I could have seen that one
Said he would check.
Yep.
The said F14,15,16 - whatever did just that.
Got airborne - went vertical and disappeared.
Wish I could have seen that one