OJT in august 2010
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UK OJT from august 2010
I will, if successful, complete my self-sponsored ADI & APS course in July 2010. Soon, I will start looking for a unit where I can validate and work after the course.
Do any here have any tips of where I should begin applying? I don't have any geographical preferences, so it will boil down to who have vacancies and preferably a non-NATS-unit where validation is not close to impossible.
As it is close to a year until I will commence the OJT.
I know I might be a bit early, but I'd hate to pay my way through these courses without knowing if I'd ever get to put it to use.
Thanks!
Do any here have any tips of where I should begin applying? I don't have any geographical preferences, so it will boil down to who have vacancies and preferably a non-NATS-unit where validation is not close to impossible.
As it is close to a year until I will commence the OJT.
I know I might be a bit early, but I'd hate to pay my way through these courses without knowing if I'd ever get to put it to use.
Thanks!
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A little bit harsh Yahoo!®.
But I have to agree on one point. Don't believe a Non-Nats unit is any easier to validate. Each unit is very unique, with little or no controlled airspace protection. Older and perhaps less reliable equipment. And quite often you will need APP and a Met certificate too.
Look at where you want to work. Have some confidence in yourself. Why settle for somewhere? You may be a natural.
If you pass the course and get the unit you want to work at, fantastic. If you validate even better.
If you don't then but you have the aptitude, you will find somewhere that suits whatever abilities you may have....... Or it will be a costly venture.
No guarantees in this world, but the best of luck!
But I have to agree on one point. Don't believe a Non-Nats unit is any easier to validate. Each unit is very unique, with little or no controlled airspace protection. Older and perhaps less reliable equipment. And quite often you will need APP and a Met certificate too.
Look at where you want to work. Have some confidence in yourself. Why settle for somewhere? You may be a natural.
If you pass the course and get the unit you want to work at, fantastic. If you validate even better.
If you don't then but you have the aptitude, you will find somewhere that suits whatever abilities you may have....... Or it will be a costly venture.
No guarantees in this world, but the best of luck!
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I can see how my post was confusing.
The reason to why I specified non-NATS airfields was simply because I do not think NATS will have me as they don't recruit externally.
I currently hold student ratings with ADI&APS and I will be converting to UK this following summer.
NATS told me they dont have any programmes for convertion, and I would have to do the whole ab-initio training over if I were successful in their tests. ASTAC and BAe on the other hand will do a Assessment of Previous Competency before final exam.
The reason to why I specified non-NATS airfields was simply because I do not think NATS will have me as they don't recruit externally.
I currently hold student ratings with ADI&APS and I will be converting to UK this following summer.
NATS told me they dont have any programmes for convertion, and I would have to do the whole ab-initio training over if I were successful in their tests. ASTAC and BAe on the other hand will do a Assessment of Previous Competency before final exam.
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Trouble for me is that I do not know which airport I would prefer working at. I think a medium size (up to 100000 movements/year) with approach would be ideal. Which non-nats airports have combined twr/app and decent modern equipment?
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As I understand it, you are planning to do ADI and APS, i.e Aerodrome Instrument and Approach radar.
In the UK, APP is the procedural approach (ie non radar approach control service) and is a completely separate CAA rating which you may be required to have, unless the ATC Unit has UTP Level Two with a separate Non APS approval.
It is not legal to provide a combined ADI/APS service in the UK (although a few "Cavalier" ATCOs have tried
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There are a few units which still provide a combined ADI/APP service, but without the separate APP rating you wouldn't be able to work at any of them.
In the UK, APP is the procedural approach (ie non radar approach control service) and is a completely separate CAA rating which you may be required to have, unless the ATC Unit has UTP Level Two with a separate Non APS approval.
It is not legal to provide a combined ADI/APS service in the UK (although a few "Cavalier" ATCOs have tried
).There are a few units which still provide a combined ADI/APP service, but without the separate APP rating you wouldn't be able to work at any of them.
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It is not legal to provide a combined ADI/APS service in the UK
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It is not legal to provide a combined ADI/APS service in the UK
There are units where APP is not required outside NATS and where the controllers only hold TWR and APS ratings... Try Liverpool for example.
There are units where APP is not required outside NATS and where the controllers only hold TWR and APS ratings... Try Liverpool for example.
"so one ATCO would never do both ADI and APS simultaneous." - that's the key phrase: the UK has the same requirement. ADI & APS at the same unit, or in the same room even, is fine, but not the same person at the same time.
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That's what Im looking for. Which units provide and require their ATCOs to have both ADI and APS rating? I believe these units will have best use of me since I do have both ratings
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The radar units you want are:
East Midlands
Liverpool
Newcastle
Leeds Bradford
Belfast City
Glasgow Prestwick
^^^ These are the larger non-NATs airports, but none has 100000 movements (see here).
The rest, in rough north-south order:
Scatsta (Shetland Isles)
Inverness
Durham Tees Valley
Ronaldsway (Isle of Man)
Blackpool
Warton
Humberside
Hawarden
Norwich
Coventry
Cambridge
Gloucestershire
Bristol Filton
Southend
Kent (Manston)
Bournemouth
Exeter
Newquay
Jersey
Some are airports, others are GA fields or aerospace industry sites. Some will require you to have an APP rating as well, others won't. Some have 'decent modern equipment', and others.... erm.....
I've probably forgotten somewhere really obvious, but hope that helps anyway.
East Midlands
Liverpool
Newcastle
Leeds Bradford
Belfast City
Glasgow Prestwick
^^^ These are the larger non-NATs airports, but none has 100000 movements (see here).
The rest, in rough north-south order:
Scatsta (Shetland Isles)
Inverness
Durham Tees Valley
Ronaldsway (Isle of Man)
Blackpool
Warton
Humberside
Hawarden
Norwich
Coventry
Cambridge
Gloucestershire
Bristol Filton
Southend
Kent (Manston)
Bournemouth
Exeter
Newquay
Jersey
Some are airports, others are GA fields or aerospace industry sites. Some will require you to have an APP rating as well, others won't. Some have 'decent modern equipment', and others.... erm.....
I've probably forgotten somewhere really obvious, but hope that helps anyway.
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