EGLL SVFR zone transit question
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EGLL SVFR zone transit question
Hi ATC folks,
I think that I know the answer to this - it is highly likely to be "No way jose!" - but just in case...
Is it possible/likely to obtain a zone transit SVFR in a fixed wing through the Heathrow zone on the Fairoaks - Ascot - Burnham route when EGLL is using 09s for landing traffic? I've only ever transited the zone like this in the past when the airport has been on westerlies.
Thanks very much,
Paul.
I think that I know the answer to this - it is highly likely to be "No way jose!" - but just in case...
Is it possible/likely to obtain a zone transit SVFR in a fixed wing through the Heathrow zone on the Fairoaks - Ascot - Burnham route when EGLL is using 09s for landing traffic? I've only ever transited the zone like this in the past when the airport has been on westerlies.
Thanks very much,
Paul.
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<<I think that I know the answer to this - it is highly likely to be "No way jose!">>
On the contrary...
Thought someone current would have responded by now... No real problem but they'll route you so that you pass at least 1000ft beneath the landing traffic. Eg 1500ft you'll go "underneath" 8 miles out. I don't know the current situation, but SVFR was always easier out to the west when they were landing towards the east..
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On the contrary...
Thought someone current would have responded by now... No real problem but they'll route you so that you pass at least 1000ft beneath the landing traffic. Eg 1500ft you'll go "underneath" 8 miles out. I don't know the current situation, but SVFR was always easier out to the west when they were landing towards the east..
Standby for more knowledgeable replies.........
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I am with HD on this . . although I tended to favour "Not above 1000 feet " on the Ascot Burnham side.
(Yes . . OK . . Min Ht Rule - 1500 . . I know)
Certainly on westerly operations (28's) in the early days of the 747's things could get a bit sporty as their climb rate was somewhat lacking !?!
. . as those flying in the White Waltham circuit will attest to no doubt.
Going under the (controlled) arrivals is always going to be easier as the Separation exists pretty much to start with . . whereas, going through in the hope of an anticipated climb through is less so.
>> Check slow climbing (north,south,east,west) . . Bounds, was a frequent SVFR Director to Departures tower controller co-ordination.
Not too many problems today I would imagine though ?
Hope the flight and view of LHR was Brill . . you could always post a piccy 4us.
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(Yes . . OK . . Min Ht Rule - 1500 . . I know)
Certainly on westerly operations (28's) in the early days of the 747's things could get a bit sporty as their climb rate was somewhat lacking !?!
. . as those flying in the White Waltham circuit will attest to no doubt.
Going under the (controlled) arrivals is always going to be easier as the Separation exists pretty much to start with . . whereas, going through in the hope of an anticipated climb through is less so.
>> Check slow climbing (north,south,east,west) . . Bounds, was a frequent SVFR Director to Departures tower controller co-ordination.
Not too many problems today I would imagine though ?
Hope the flight and view of LHR was Brill . . you could always post a piccy 4us.
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I99,
It's 1,000ft above the highest fixed obstacle within 600m of the aircraft when flying over a congested area these days but a SVFR clearance gives an exemption to this part of Rule 5 anyway.
Checking for slow climbers not approved these days, you either have to be correctly separated (or officially deemed separated) or you don't do it.
(Yes . . OK . . Min Ht Rule - 1500 . . I know)
Checking for slow climbers not approved these days, you either have to be correctly separated (or officially deemed separated) or you don't do it.
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Ta Roffa . . . quite happy with ANO and SVFR exemptions . . . more of a comfort thing really as one who has skipped over Surrey Hill in Bracknell Forest not above 1000 ft amsl on several occasions.
That is about 570ft AGL with Bracknell just to the left etc . . not a lot of room to play with in the event of - Failure of a power unit etc etc (fixed wing)
So . . as you are no longer able to check slow climbers (Anticipated separation - I guess someone got caught out ?) how do you transit under the departures (west of Windsor) these days . . Deemer's or ?
Cheers
Keep up the good work.
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That is about 570ft AGL with Bracknell just to the left etc . . not a lot of room to play with in the event of - Failure of a power unit etc etc (fixed wing)
So . . as you are no longer able to check slow climbers (Anticipated separation - I guess someone got caught out ?) how do you transit under the departures (west of Windsor) these days . . Deemer's or ?
Cheers
Keep up the good work.
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Ta Roffa . . . quite happy with ANO and SVFR exemptions . . . more of a comfort thing really as one who has skipped over Surrey Hill in Bracknell Forest not above 1000 ft amsl on several occasions.
Clearances in the area will always be low and always be above amsl (i.e. on QNH), down to the pilot to decide whether or not able to accept.
The SID Minimum Climb Gradient is used to justify transits on westerlies.
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Hi folks,
The transit through the zone went fine on a sunny Saturday afternoon - the usual excellent view of LHR off to the right, although the person in the RHS failed to take any piccies!
The entry to the zone could have been better. If whoever I was talking to is reading this, sorry for c*cking it up a bit
Paul.
The transit through the zone went fine on a sunny Saturday afternoon - the usual excellent view of LHR off to the right, although the person in the RHS failed to take any piccies!
The entry to the zone could have been better. If whoever I was talking to is reading this, sorry for c*cking it up a bit
Paul.
