Moaning pilots
I've always found that if you tell them to do something that you know isn't part of their plan (because they always have one you know) you should always tell them why if you have the time!
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I moan when I pilot asks to do something that technically isn't my job or isn't specifically allowed in the rules but I make it work anyway...bit like when you book a discount ticket then turn up early to see if you can catch an earlier flight and they say no - thats not permitted.... or that will be $329 to change flights...
Perhaps next time somebody wants some direct tracking, to change their plan or to practice something I point out what the change fee is...or just say NO...
TT
( I know the aircrew don't make the rules for ticketing - why can't we all just get along?)
Perhaps next time somebody wants some direct tracking, to change their plan or to practice something I point out what the change fee is...or just say NO...
TT
( I know the aircrew don't make the rules for ticketing - why can't we all just get along?)
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TT No, most said you were just a pain in the neck. I had a much lower opinion of you
Where to start? The Wicked witch of the Training Section? The Austrian Dictator (fortunately moved to aairline mis-management)?
ImnotanERIC Naughty Boy, altering quotes like that. I had to go back and check what i'd written. I see a great future for you in the Conservative Party Propaganda Office.
Mention of AMS. High level traffic from the NE had (has?) a restriction to be at FL260 22nm before EEL. This became EEL by common consent and to maintain separation speed control was used, normally +/_ 260kt IAS Despite this being a standard clearance there were always those who felt it shouldn't aply to them. The clearance then became, "The number is 260. Descend to it, reduce to it, or turn to it." i.e. expect vectors to the back of the stream. it didn't have to be said often. Similarly AMS deps to the South used to have a restriction to cross WOODY FL190+; however a Dutch Caravelle operator regularly only made about FL140 there whilst reporting passing FL190. it came as a great surprise when we got Mode C !!
Where to start? The Wicked witch of the Training Section? The Austrian Dictator (fortunately moved to aairline mis-management)?ImnotanERIC Naughty Boy, altering quotes like that. I had to go back and check what i'd written. I see a great future for you in the Conservative Party Propaganda Office.
Mention of AMS. High level traffic from the NE had (has?) a restriction to be at FL260 22nm before EEL. This became EEL by common consent and to maintain separation speed control was used, normally +/_ 260kt IAS Despite this being a standard clearance there were always those who felt it shouldn't aply to them. The clearance then became, "The number is 260. Descend to it, reduce to it, or turn to it." i.e. expect vectors to the back of the stream. it didn't have to be said often. Similarly AMS deps to the South used to have a restriction to cross WOODY FL190+; however a Dutch Caravelle operator regularly only made about FL140 there whilst reporting passing FL190. it came as a great surprise when we got Mode C !!
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Pilots will only moan about ATC when they can fit it into their busy schedule - you know, when they're not moaning about their roster, pension, pay, holidays, crew, management, hotel, food, etc etc etc....
Moaning takes up the first 6 weeks of the training syllabus for pilots.
Moaning takes up the first 6 weeks of the training syllabus for pilots.
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ImnotanERIC Naughty Boy, altering quotes like that. I had to go back and check what i'd written. I see a great future for you in the Conservative Party Propaganda Office.
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If your a professional pilot, it is your duty to moan!
Bad pay, bad rosters, no job security, no pension, airport security, where do I start?
Mona Lot
Bad pay, bad rosters, no job security, no pension, airport security, where do I start?
Mona Lot
Moaning about things you said above is part of life
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Hey ATCO1962
Long time no hear!
LIFFY is a major moaning point between Shannon and Manchester (or should that be Scottish
).
Pilots all seem to think they know the LOA between us and the eastern folk, because someone's mate said something in a pub once to someone else's mate yada yada yada.
Needless to say, with new procedures being brought in, they can all moan about being kept too high into Birmingham/Liverpool etc
LIFFY is a major moaning point between Shannon and Manchester (or should that be Scottish
).Pilots all seem to think they know the LOA between us and the eastern folk, because someone's mate said something in a pub once to someone else's mate yada yada yada.
Needless to say, with new procedures being brought in, they can all moan about being kept too high into Birmingham/Liverpool etc
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I treat all my customers with respect....and to be honest they all do the same with me......if your cheery with them they usually are the same with you...!!!! 
