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What would happen if a fire broke out in an Air Traffic Control centre, such as Swanwick I assume that there would be a back up centre somewhere? But surely it would still take time to move the controllers around etc?
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There was a plan to airlift the controllers to Scottish, where they could sit and twiddle their thumbs
Maastricht is a UACC so control would be passed to the ACCs. and/or MACCs
Alternative is close the airspace.
Maastricht is a UACC so control would be passed to the ACCs. and/or MACCs
Alternative is close the airspace.
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I assume that there would be a back up centre somewhere
However I doubt that there exists a complete set of backup controllers so I'm not quite sure how the scenario would be handled.
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Cunning plan was to fly the Controllers from Swanwick to Scottish, you see we think of everything - but with no one at Swanwick there will be no flights from the South of the UK.
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you mean overtime!! Excellent. Of course NATS would charter a suitable aircraft to take controllers up to scottish. Perhaps an old Dc 3 or some ancient russian type. The managers and HR people would obviously get there first in their GV or similar! Would be a no go anyway as we would have to wait for a NIBs code and input it into that wonderful system before we would be allowed to go!
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Damn good point Cows! 
There still remains the practical question of how the system would function in the period between a closure at the main facility and the opening of the backup.
Flow restriction or full/partial airspace closure would, I assume, be the order of the day.
There still remains the practical question of how the system would function in the period between a closure at the main facility and the opening of the backup.
Flow restriction or full/partial airspace closure would, I assume, be the order of the day.
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At Swanwick we are fully trained for this situation and those pilots that have been fortunate enough to come and take part in our TRUCE sessions may even have seen us do it for practice. There are also procedures for alerting all controllers if necessary.
Unfortunately I'm not going to discuss what we do on an open forum.
Unfortunately I'm not going to discuss what we do on an open forum.
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the truly dire effect such an event would have on the EG list...
Can I expect a visit from the men in grey for stating the blindingly obvious in my first post?
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There are short-term (clear the skies then run like hell, or, if too catastrophic, run like hell then clear the skies), medium-term (provide a limited service from anywhere that radar and radio for the airspace can be provided) and long-term (configure all available NERL equipment to provide an optimised, but less than total, service within the whole of UK airspace with the remaining controllers) plans for such an incident at Swanwick.
It's not clear what the validation requirements would be for the latter cases!
It's not clear what the validation requirements would be for the latter cases!
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Follow Gunson's advice and chuck eerything to the next sector. Then run
It's a very strange feeling when the whole Ops. Room is evacuated and you're the last one there!!
It's a very strange feeling when the whole Ops. Room is evacuated and you're the last one there!!
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When I worked at West Drayton I always said I would be the last one out in the event of a fire.
I would want to fan the flames to make sure the fire got a good hold.
C.
I would want to fan the flames to make sure the fire got a good hold.
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