Nats Profit 2008/2009
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Nats Profits Soar
High-flying profits as NATS shrugs off the downturn | Business
POWDER STILL DRY THEN
THIS IS A SMACK IN THE FACE FOR THE 2% ERS.
POWDER STILL DRY THEN
THIS IS A SMACK IN THE FACE FOR THE 2% ERS.
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It's probably going to p!ss people off even more but I feel I have to point out that our illustrious leader actually earned £484,000 in bonuses...£285,000 for his long term incentive bonus and £199,000 for his performance related bonuses!! Coupled with his £450,000 salary it takes it up to almost £1mill when you also include his Benefits (???WTF???)
And don't even get me started about the £13000 for relocation costs!!! Why exactly, is this clown still being paid relocation costs when he joined theing company nearly 5 years ago?!? Is it honestly legal to get all you mates to vote for your terms and conditions and give you a fortune in bungs for various things?!? Outrageous!!!
Total pay (not including long term incentives mind!!!) for 2008=£646,000
Total pay (again not including long term incentives) for 2009=£670,000
% payrise=3.7%....for 1 year!!!!! Good to know that that ct is worth a 3.7% rise for 1 year, yet the frontline staff earning the company the record profits are only worth 1% per year!!!
Where's that contact email for serco in dubai cos i'm off!!
FB
)And don't even get me started about the £13000 for relocation costs!!! Why exactly, is this clown still being paid relocation costs when he joined the
ing company nearly 5 years ago?!? Is it honestly legal to get all you mates to vote for your terms and conditions and give you a fortune in bungs for various things?!? Outrageous!!!Total pay (not including long term incentives mind!!!) for 2008=£646,000
Total pay (again not including long term incentives) for 2009=£670,000
% payrise=3.7%....for 1 year!!!!! Good to know that that c
t is worth a 3.7% rise for 1 year, yet the frontline staff earning the company the record profits are only worth 1% per year!!!Where's that contact email for serco in dubai cos i'm off!!
FB
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Is anyone really surprised by this?
This "economic downturn" favours the rich throughout society, not just NATS, who use it as an excuse to tear out what they see as "dead wood" from their huge moneymaking empires.
The rich get richer still whilst the relatively poor get shafted. And it will be ever thus.
Oh and to all of the "welcome to the real world NATS" people - I hope you can see now that you're argument has been significantly quenched. Not many companies in this real world you speak of report profits of £135m on one hand, and plead abject poverty and cost cutting to their staff with the other.
I also don't blame anyone who voted yes. They were acting on union advice after all. I blame the union. And in turn every one of it's members including me.
We only get the union we work for, stick together for and therefore deserve.
And finally, on a personal level, I'm absolutely appalled. It's an absolute disgrace. And words cannot express my anger at the whole rotten mess.
This "economic downturn" favours the rich throughout society, not just NATS, who use it as an excuse to tear out what they see as "dead wood" from their huge moneymaking empires.
The rich get richer still whilst the relatively poor get shafted. And it will be ever thus.
Oh and to all of the "welcome to the real world NATS" people - I hope you can see now that you're argument has been significantly quenched. Not many companies in this real world you speak of report profits of £135m on one hand, and plead abject poverty and cost cutting to their staff with the other.
I also don't blame anyone who voted yes. They were acting on union advice after all. I blame the union. And in turn every one of it's members including me.
We only get the union we work for, stick together for and therefore deserve.
And finally, on a personal level, I'm absolutely appalled. It's an absolute disgrace. And words cannot express my anger at the whole rotten mess.
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PB must be in with a shout of being an MP now ... he certainly knows how to get the most from the system and not give a damn for the downtrodden masses 
shame his good friend Tony Bliar ain't around still to smooth his passage.
shame his good friend Tony Bliar ain't around still to smooth his passage.
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Well f**k my old boots!
A ****e pay deal and record profits, now there's a surprise.
As i've previously stated I have become resigned to the fact that there are too many fannys in NATS who do not have any balls or cannot see for themselves when they are being led down the garden path. I don't believe a change in union would help as it is us the workforce who voted this galling paydeal through.
From a company point of view the smiling viper deserves his huge pay deal as he has achieved record profits whilst minimising delays and screwing over the staff and we have let him. We never ever learn.
There will always be someone to come in and do AAVA's, proving you don't need the leave (which i'm sure will be next to be whittled away) and bailing these arseholes out. Some think they are helping out our customers but it is our management whom we are helping as any delays and penalties will be felt by them. Like volunteering to do meteorology observations on a night shift in lieu of an ATSA. Hmmm, let me think,,, were is that going to lead?
One thing to maybe throw into the argument is should anyone involved in management be part of our union hierarchy such as the branch chair etc? As far as can recall they have always been in bed with each other and a lot of senior managers are ex union and know all the tricks.
The only ammo we have is industrial action and we can never find any grounds to exercise this huge power that a lot of us don't realise we have until it is far too late. And it's happened yet again.
A ****e pay deal and record profits, now there's a surprise.
As i've previously stated I have become resigned to the fact that there are too many fannys in NATS who do not have any balls or cannot see for themselves when they are being led down the garden path. I don't believe a change in union would help as it is us the workforce who voted this galling paydeal through.
From a company point of view the smiling viper deserves his huge pay deal as he has achieved record profits whilst minimising delays and screwing over the staff and we have let him. We never ever learn.
There will always be someone to come in and do AAVA's, proving you don't need the leave (which i'm sure will be next to be whittled away) and bailing these arseholes out. Some think they are helping out our customers but it is our management whom we are helping as any delays and penalties will be felt by them. Like volunteering to do meteorology observations on a night shift in lieu of an ATSA. Hmmm, let me think,,, were is that going to lead?
One thing to maybe throw into the argument is should anyone involved in management be part of our union hierarchy such as the branch chair etc? As far as can recall they have always been in bed with each other and a lot of senior managers are ex union and know all the tricks.
The only ammo we have is industrial action and we can never find any grounds to exercise this huge power that a lot of us don't realise we have until it is far too late. And it's happened yet again.
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Having seen the Profit/Bonus result, furious at the pittance the workers have got in comparison to management!
The yes voters were truly led by the nose, but who are they? The older ones who just want to make sure they get a bit more to go with in the near future and the newer ones in that don't want to rock the boat, or people that just don't care..about theirs or their colleagues future T&C's and pay.
Surely they and the union bods realise that by sticking their heads in the sand they are giving management a bigger target to kick them. They have certainly been scoring bullseyes on everything so far!!
When it all goes wrong (which probably won't be long now) there will be a few folk out on their own with only themselves to blame. Expecting co-workers to bail out those who refused to acknowledge the writing on the wall will be a bit too much.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but of no use what so ever
furious at the pittance the workers have got in comparison to management!The yes voters were truly led by the nose, but who are they? The older ones who just want to make sure they get a bit more to go with in the near future and the newer ones in that don't want to rock the boat, or people that just don't care..about theirs or their colleagues future T&C's and pay.
Surely they and the union bods realise that by sticking their heads in the sand they are giving management a bigger target to kick them. They have certainly been scoring bullseyes on everything so far!!
When it all goes wrong (which probably won't be long now) there will be a few folk out on their own with only themselves to blame. Expecting co-workers to bail out those who refused to acknowledge the writing on the wall will be a bit too much.
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Why didn't our glorious Unions make a proviso in the pay deal, that if NATS profits exceed a certain amount then the pay deal should increase likewise, or at least to an acceptable level ? This would have at least flushed management out of the undergrowth
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Actually makes it an annual pay rise of 12.5%, not 25%!
Still obscene whatever way you look at it, especially considering all the other perks such as increased bonuses and the huge increase in his wifes NATS pay packet.
The problem is, the fat cats that run the airlines won't target Barron because they are all the same; they think it is acceptable to plead poverty make people redundant, and give low pay awards, yet at the same time make sure they feather their own nests.
Actully old chap His salary in 2008 was £400k basic compared with 2009's £450k. That makes it an annual payrise of 25%.
Still obscene whatever way you look at it, especially considering all the other perks such as increased bonuses and the huge increase in his wifes NATS pay packet.
The problem is, the fat cats that run the airlines won't target Barron because they are all the same; they think it is acceptable to plead poverty make people redundant, and give low pay awards, yet at the same time make sure they feather their own nests.
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10W Hear, hear, excellent posts.
hootin an a roarin - PM for you.
I blame the union hierarchy who are so close to the senior management that they can't see the wood for the trees. Also I believe that anyone who is promoted above Watch Manager level should not be in the union as this leads to a serious conflict of issues when it comes to voting on matters such as ATCO pay and T&Cs.
Regards, ADIS
hootin an a roarin - PM for you.
I blame the union hierarchy who are so close to the senior management that they can't see the wood for the trees. Also I believe that anyone who is promoted above Watch Manager level should not be in the union as this leads to a serious conflict of issues when it comes to voting on matters such as ATCO pay and T&Cs.
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..its the Yes Voters who have got what they deserve.
We No voters deserve so much better than management have given. Thats why we voted NO...but its we who will suffer.
Mr.B must be laughing his ass off at us, but we deserve everything we've gotten from him.
We No voters deserve so much better than management have given. Thats why we voted NO...but its we who will suffer.
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Cynic that I am I have said all along that a "POSTAL" vote equates to a "YES" vote regardless.
I'm just p...ed that those I (dimwittedly) thought had, not only their own interest, but possibly that of those they work along side, couldn't be bothered to vote and make a stand. And Yes I do know a few of you..Thanks.
I'm just p...ed that those I (dimwittedly) thought had, not only their own interest, but possibly that of those they work along side, couldn't be bothered to vote and make a stand. And Yes I do know a few of you..Thanks.
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Dur! You're quite correct. Back to school for me! In fact, with my maths skills I should apply for a management role (or lead the union!)
I'll rephase it! That makes it an annual payrise of 12.5%. Twelve-fu<king-point five percent. Fricking hell, we are all c*cks.
Lawrence Hosking basic £282k to £325k equals over 15% His total including bonuses £442K to £505k 14.25%
The bonus and other crap are just the icing on the fricking cake and help make the overall percentage increase appear less, like FB calculated.
These ba$tard$ are helping themselves and screwing us in the process. They use accounting techniques and "that's what you have to pay to get the best talent" bo!!ock$ to justify these huge payrises.
Everybody...stop doing f**king AAVAs! Dammit! Put on flow! Give up extraneous tasks!
Jeez! This is unbelievable!
Actually makes it an annual pay rise of 12.5%, not 25%!
I'll rephase it! That makes it an annual payrise of 12.5%. Twelve-fu<king-point five percent. Fricking hell, we are all c*cks.
Lawrence Hosking basic £282k to £325k equals over 15% His total including bonuses £442K to £505k 14.25%
The bonus and other crap are just the icing on the fricking cake and help make the overall percentage increase appear less, like FB calculated.
These ba$tard$ are helping themselves and screwing us in the process. They use accounting techniques and "that's what you have to pay to get the best talent" bo!!ock$ to justify these huge payrises.
Everybody...stop doing f**king AAVAs! Dammit! Put on flow! Give up extraneous tasks!
Jeez! This is unbelievable!
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'Jeez! This is unbelievable!'
maybe so, but the question now is what do you do about it? Whatever it is, you have all got to work together on getting a resolution, and for the very first time in the history of NATS, everybody on the shop floor must stop the bickering, the infighting, the derisory perception of others and their place/task in the Company, and STAND UP TOGETHER to the Mgmt.
If you don't, expect more of the same with brass knobs on.
Here's wishing you all the best
maybe so, but the question now is what do you do about it? Whatever it is, you have all got to work together on getting a resolution, and for the very first time in the history of NATS, everybody on the shop floor must stop the bickering, the infighting, the derisory perception of others and their place/task in the Company, and STAND UP TOGETHER to the Mgmt.
If you don't, expect more of the same with brass knobs on.
Here's wishing you all the best
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what to do? No AAVAs/overtime, no bandboxing (or flow if staff shortage and not cry over missig out on early goes (if any)), no additional validations, take 30minutes responsible free breaks.
Basically, just do the bare minimum of your job and no more
Basically, just do the bare minimum of your job and no more
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But that will always be undermined by those colleagues who'll pick up what they see as "slack" in order to improve their future career prospects. So they think.
Sad but true.
We have mostly zero solidarity.
Sad but true.
We have mostly zero solidarity.
It is reported that Nigel Turner , BMI's CEO & a NATS board member has said that
I presume, he wasn't talking about NATS Directors then 
As for starting a new union, what is the point?? The membership returned a YES vote for the Pensions con & also a YES vote for the pay rise con, so how would a new union make things better
It really is down to the membership to stand up IF they want change, as our colleagues en France do. You can't blame the union(s) when you either vote YES or in so many cases can't be arsed to vote at all
Anybody in this industry who thinks he or she deserves a pay increase this year must be insane
As for starting a new union, what is the point?? The membership returned a YES vote for the Pensions con & also a YES vote for the pay rise con, so how would a new union make things better
It really is down to the membership to stand up IF they want change, as our colleagues en France do. You can't blame the union(s) when you either vote YES or in so many cases can't be arsed to vote at all